Historical Comparison of Joshua rebounding like he did ..

And in this regard you have no proof and are objectively wrong. Quotes from joshua, statistics and my eyes > your false notion.

Nope. I watched the fight, he was fine through and through

He was getting beat bad either way, he couldnt use his range and box like "modern" tactics.

Leonard and Pep both use the "modern style" better than pretty much every modern fighter and still got beat by other styles such as swarming and brawling. That is the proof that the modern style is not superior in any way, who cares if they're big on not? You implied that the modern style was superior, i debunked that.

Too bad that style isnt any superior to any other style so long as said style is used in tandem with the physical gifts of the fighter. Also id say that Louis was moreso an inspiration for the """modern style""" but eh. Who was inspired by Gans ofc. Who was beaten by a shorter, slower swarmer via workrate, mastery over his own style and toughness.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Also fighting tall is not superior to fighting short, whether it be from a lightweight or a heavyweight. If you cannot comprehend that then i shouldnt waste my time here.

 

I'm glad we agree on the pacing. I'm very surprised what I said was controversial.

"Fighting tall" is overly broad for what I'm describing here. Plenty of big guys who fought tall, including the ring wizard Loughran (not really a big guy but he fought at heavy so...) and Carnera still ended up in exchanges, and ended up eating big punches and getting stung or dropped, sometimes against less impressive opponents. I could be wrong but I would be surprised if either of them would have fought a whole fight like Joshua fought this one, against a smaller opponent with less punching power. The modern approach I'm discussing places more of a premium on avoiding exchanges, even if you're the harder puncher and even if the result is a fight in which you don't do much damage to your opponent.

Of course what I wrote was a generalization. And I was really only talking about the old-school fans who hate modern boxing. As I've said before, those guys frequently mistake certain stylistic and strategic approaches to boxing as revealing a lack of skill or ability.

 

I don't think that would be the right strategy against Wilder. I think he should walk him down instead.

 

Not if he's smart. Wilder can't box. Joshua can. He should box and then lower the boom the first swing and miss Wilder makes.

 

How are the subjective assessments in the paragraph you quoted "objectively wrong"? Because Joshua threw more jabs this fight?

Again, I wasn't just talking about "fighting tall." But, yes, for big men with length and foot speed advantages, fighting tall and fighting long is generally superior to trying to slug it out and fighting more of the fight within your opponent's punching range. It's much, much harder for someone like Rocky Marciano, for example, to win against an Anthony Joshua or a Deontay Wilder fighting off his back foot, punching sparingly, and avoiding exchanges, than it might be against bigger men who stay closer to him and who open themselves up in hopes of knocking him out.

We've all been through this stuff at length in the past. I know that a handful of you guys seem to disagree but most of us recognize that for whatever various reasons, even tall heavyweights seldom fought in ways that maximized these advantages in the past. Part of it was possibly due to scoring conventions, but I'm sure some of it might have been due to the norms/unwritten rules and expectations of how prizefighters should fight, and part of it might be due to a lack of strategic imagination.

And the idea that Pep and Leonard losing to other styles is proof that that style is not superior in any way doesn't make any sense. Fighters have off nights, some fighters have the other fighters' cards. **** like that happens in boxing.

 

Not circle like yesterday, but some in and out perhaps. But I wonder if it isn't best to put pressure on Wilder. Perhaps not. Perhaps be somewhat more cautious.

I wouldn't like to be the one to do this game plan.

 

Since Joshua is the more accurate puncher with better defence without giving up much in reach and height, thee could be a point in beating Wilder to the punch and putting him on the back foot. He needs to get his jab going in any case. If he can do that, he'd have a good chance at follow up.

 

Whilst I am pleased for Joshua; him having won back his titles and all, from Ruiz Jr, I can't say that I saw his effort as being particularly spectacular. It's not like we haven't seen Joshua post a Win by way of a safety-first strategy before now. The difference being that, in Ruiz Jr, AJ was facing an opponent, who was already physically over-matched and moreover, had the audacity to roll into the ring last night at over 20-stone.

AJ's approach to this rematch is what even the most casual of fans thought he should have done in the first bout. Not really rocket science. Just a common sense approach, which he had used already against Parker, less than two years prior, to the same end. So, I don't really see how Joshua can be considered as "reinvented".

Granted, there was quite probably a significant psychological hurdle to overcome, having lost so dramatically, 6 months earlier, and he dealt with that very well. But, he's also a man of 6'6", 82" and 17-stone proportions, who need not have found himself in a rematch against Ruiz Jr in the first place.

 

Winning a rematch against a 300 pound Blob whose feet were stuck in cement due to non existing training except stuffing Burrito after burrito down his throat aint no big thing......Holyfiled ko'ed a similar version in douglas yet AJ put on his track shoes and had the look of panic on his face anytime the fatso came even close.

Kudos for his professionalism but what was in front of him would have been KO'ed by Wilder and white washed by Fury.

Food for thought........AJ was open for the right all night long, a blind man can see it, guess what, grandpa WK put him down with a right and since then he was matched with Hookers only.....no straight punchers.................Fury and Wilder are straight punchers, long or short range.... that is the reason Hearns will not let his glass packing meal ticket anywhere near those two anytime soon.

Fury and Wilder will beat AJ 10 out of 10, this aint trolling......AJ was afraid to engage the light hitting blob , he will be in full panic mode against Wilder running around on the outside until he gets boomed.......but AJ 'won" the rounds before counted out, yeah, that matters,lol, Fury will clown him while AJ is afraid to let his hands go.

 

Joshua changed training strategy and came in 10 pounds lighter, lighter than he'd been for 5 years. This certainly helped.

 

AJ's work-rate was quite low, though. And, didn't Joshua come in at only 5lbs heavier, against Parker, in March 2018?

I'd wager that Joshua threw more and landed more, against a much more mobile opponent, in Parker.

 

Correct on both counts.

https://www.*******.com/anthony-joshua-vs-andy-ruiz-rematch-compubox-punch-stats--144939

https://www.*******.com/anthony-joshua-vs-joseph-parker-compubox-punch-stats--126756

But why let details like that get in the way of a popular narrative?

 

Joshua was certainly better than he was in the initial encounter with Ruiz that's for sure.

He purposely trained to come in lighter, more explosive and more mobile. He's also gone away from heavy bench pressing. I'd still like to see punch out some roadwork.

It will be interesting as the big 3 hopefully sort out who is really who.

 

Landed just as many punches against Wlad as he did against Ruiz too, and threw nearly twice as many power punches. While weighing 250.

https://www.*******.com/anthony-joshua-vs-wladimir-klitschko-compubox-punch-stats--116148

And threw way more punches against Takam (two and a half times as many power punches). While weighing 254.

https://www.*******.com/anthony-joshua-vs-carlos-takam-compubox-punch-stats--121906

 

So you think coming in 10 pounds lighter and angling somewhat toward cardio did nothing for him?

Ok.