Normal conditions Foreman KOs Ali

With all due respect, I do not agree. If you are a good trainer, knowing that the conditions are possibly humid because you and your party have been staying there during training, no. George being a huge power puncher, fell prey to other conditions, mainly psychological warfare, which began at the contract signing, in New York, with Ali saying derogatory things to Foreman, and he did not know how to react to it. Foreman had not faced such tactics from scared, stoic opposition. Bullies are afraid of people who behave as though there is something wrong with them mentally. It is kind of like the first Cassius Clay vs Sonny Liston weigh in, on the morning of Feb 25 1964, Liston had an intimidating stare like George, that had his adversaries shaking in their boots, like Floyd Patterson did against Sonny in 1962. Sonny did not know how to handle Clay not being afraid of him. George patterned himself after his idol, Sonny Liston. And George during that point in his career was a 1974 version of the Big Ugly Bear. As again as far the weather conditions go, I am sure that Ali had to feel it too, just like a football team playing in the opponents back yard, knowing the noise level is extremely loud, the coach prepares the visiting team for it. Lastly, George expected Ali to come out dancing like the Muhammad that fought Joe Frazier, back in January, moving on his toes, and Ali crossed him up by doing what he did in his post prime sparring sessions, laying on the ropes, the birth of the Rope A Dope, making Foreman punch himself out. George was not used to going past 3 rounds very often. Angelo Dundee was a shrewd trainer, having placed attention to Foreman's recent fights against, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, and Joe King Roman. All fighters that lose in upsets make excuses, excuses are like what everyone sits on, everyone has one. This loss brought George down to earth, he got taught a lesson, and still talks about it to the very day. A prime Ali, 1964-1967 would have given George a one sided boxing lesson, no Rope A Dope.

 

I respectfully disagree because you're talking absolute bullsh it.

 

What did you mean "Normal" condition ? Was the fight in "ABNormal" conditions ? They were both in the SAME CONDITION were they not ?
Are you in "Normal" condition now ?

 

Ali turned Foreman into a complete dummy. He held his arms up in a high guard defense and sat on the ropes letting Foreman punch himself out. That was the gameplan and I think most reasonable observers in hinsight would agree it was the only way that version of Ali could have beaten Foreman.
Had they fought again even 6 months later, Foreman having learned his lesson would never allow to punch himself out.
6 months later Foreman imo would have stopped Ali inside of 10 rounds just biding his time.

The Foreman that fought Holyfield was 10 times better mentally in game planning that he would have beaten the Ali from Zaire imo.

 

They both fought in the same conditions so there were no excuses on that. However, the tactic that Ali used it which was called "Rope a Dope" played a great role in helping Ali to beat Foreman. Ali owed Greg Peralta a lot. That's the truth.

 

Foreman was a Prime 25 Year old Ali was 32 and had spent nearly 4 years of his Prime in exile.....No excuses people under rate what Ali actually achieved what he did was incredible.!!!

 

What you said above are what I am going to ask him too. He said as if they both were fighting each other in different conditions.

 

What was the humidity like at 4.30am?

 

Another revisionist.

 

However 6 months after the fight, Foreman was still in Deep depression due to the loss that he would have gotten KOed in under 3 rounds had they fought a rematch. In reality a Foreman would never win against an Ali that time.

 

If you remember, in 1974 George Foreman was far from being a humble guy, who sold his grills. Foreman used to have his dogs chase away news reporters. With all due respect, you confuse George with the church attending fellow with the one that had hair, and had a very menacing look. The fight was cancelled once because of an eye cut suffered by Foreman in sparring. But the humidity had to affect both fighters, Foreman spent too much time mingling with the press, he figured Ali would fall as Frazier and Ken Norton, overconfident. He even publicly admitted he made all sorts of excuses after the bout. In those days, he was quietly very over confident, said he did not care for Ali. Now he sings a different tune, but he is an older mature man.

 

Cruz was a late sub for an Argentinian, face first slugger, Sosa. Cruz was a good mover and counter puncher.
Lewis was totally unprofessional for this fight. He arrived late because he was filming Ocean's 11 and didn't acclimatise.
Can't help with the other instance you quote as I don't watch MMA.

 

In October too.....

Ali had Foreman's number. He used his strengths against him and Foreman played into Ali's hands. It took Foreman until 1987 to get over those demons; he carried on till 1977 and then retired for another 10 years before coming back....

Ali always had him beat.