[1955] Don C0ckell on Marciano's Power

Johnny Barton has a 28% KO ratio and is 31-28. He does not hit harder than Marciano lol.

 

And you would know better because...

Yeah, cool story, brah.

 

You were making excuses. Walcott said Marciano hit harder with 1 single punch. So did the sparring partners

No he didn't KO Walcott faster lol if you compare fight to fight. Louis UD 15 and KO 11 <<< Marciano KO 13 and KO 1. Both of Marciano's were 1 punch KO's compared to Louis's combination flurry

Walcott was prime for his fight with Marciano.

Marciano had the flu for the Savold fight

He gives a **** how big the fighter is? Marciano KO'd Charles, did Louis do that? Nope. Marciano 1 punch KO'd Walcott, did Louis do that? Nope. Baer had a broken right hand and chipped left wrist coming into the fight against Louis, it isn't exactly impressive that Loui stopped him.

 

"Louis is faster with a barrage of punches, but Rocky hurts more with one punch than Joe did with four. Rocky hurts you every time he connects." Response to a reporter from a sparring partner of both Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano.

Not actually sure who the specific sparring partner is. Might be in "unbeaten" by Mike Stanton, will have to give it another glean

 

I don’t think anyone says he was the hardest hitter on earth. But to claim he didn’t have one punch KO power is patently false.

 

"The owner of the greatest 1 punch KO ever and highest KO ratio of any HW champ doesn't have 1 punch KO power"

 

Actually Louis should have lost a decision to Walcott the first fight Walcott was robbed (how does he knock him out sooner lol) in the second fight Marciano knocks him out in the first round.
Secondly nothing wrong with calling Marciano a volume puncher. He certainly was. A volume power puncher. He knocked out plenty of people and quickly to not be considered just a “volume puncher”. The biggest men he faced he knocked out and rather quickly. Not everyone is Tyson or Foreman they certainly weren’t the only guys with power. Marciano knocked out opponents in under four rounds I think. There may only be six men in the history of boxing to do better so please the lie that he didn’t have one punch power is blatantly false. I don’t understand the need in these posts to try and take him down a peg? Which is what this is. I never see a post slamming Frazier or Tyson with this sort of rhetoric.

 

Do you have an app on your phone that buzzes when the word "Marciano " is typed on any boxing site worldwide, just so you can post snippy snarky comments about him? You've been doing so for nearly 15 years on this site but there were no such apps available that long ago.

 

Yes. Yes, I do.

I developed this app in '05 and have tried marketing it several times. Wanna invest?

 

Hmmmm....I can think of several ways we (if I may be so bold to say we) can monetize the app.
The John Wayne Mark II. Someone mentions John Wayne, you're notified so you can post "he never could act".
The Madonna app. Someone states she is hot, you can post " she's always been a dog".

Etc.

 

There are so many things wrong here that its not even funny.

-Louis did indeed ko walcott faster than rocky did. Can you not do basic math? 11>>>13.

-Walcott certainly wasnt in his prime in the rematch with rocky. The guy was 39 coming off a devastating KO loss in his previous fight. He had been boxing professionally for 23 years and had 19 losses. By any objective standards he was shopworn. I am not about to go back and forth with you on this.

-if a fighter takes 13 rounds to ko an opponent it wasnt a fvcking 1 punch ko. Unless for some strange reason he landed absolutely nothing for 12 rounds and then suddenly connected with a freakish 1 in 1000 proverbial "punchers chance" homerun shot, but we both know thats not what happened.

-Walcott pretty much quit and pulled an ali/Liston 2 in the rematch. We've been over this. There was a thread about it a few months ago and even die hard marciano fans admit walcott quit. He had nothing left in the tank and retired immediately afterwards. These are not the actions of a fighter in his "prime".

-the point that went right over your head is that Louis kod a younger less shopworn version of walcott despite having a far less aggressive style operating behind a jab at a more measured pace than the guns a blazing style of rocky. Again, these are facts.

-marciano had the flu, now whose making excuses? Savold was in his last fight against rocky. He was 36 years old with over 150 fights (45 losses) on the clock. He was coming off the aforementioned brutal ko loss to Louis. Elmer Ray and Harry Bobo also KO'd savold in just 2 rounds each. Or how about Johnny Shkor? Once again, his previous opponent (Walcott) KO'd him in just 1 round while Rocky (who faced Schkor coming off said devastating ko loss) took 6 rounds of grinding and swarming to get the stoppage. Enough is enough. I could give several examples of Rocky taking longer and/or failing to stop the same opponent as other boxers. Not my opinion, facts.

-who cares how big louis' opponents were? Is it easier to ko a lightweight or a middleweight? Trick question. Louis has the pedigree to prove that his power and skill were effective against men significantly larger than himself. That's the point. Rocky never proved his power against men that size.

Isnt that the reason people make a big deal out of Bob Fitzsimmons? That he gave up so much weight and slaughtered giants? Or Dempsey demolishing Willard, firpo, Fulton, etc? Now when the conversation doesnt suit your agenda the size of Louis' opponents doesn't matter?

-Louis was way past his prime for the Charles fight. Of course im talking to a fanboy so you arent going to acknowledge this since he faced rocky later on. Does anyone use Ali vs Leon spinks as proof Larry Holmes punches way harder than Ali since Holmes demolished Spinks?

 

Hey, maaaan.... your hate facts are part of the oppressive superstructure that marginalizes the Small, the Italianate, the Slow, the Truncated! Down with the Oppressor! Down with the Man!

 

THe thing with fighters is if they fight the best puncher in the world...and he doesn't get to land his Sunday punch on them...then they are going to say somebody else hits harder.

It is as simple as that.

Cokkell was quite accomplished by the time he met Rocky. Accomplished fighters become more conditioned to both absorbing blows and anticipating them. So it is natural that unanticipated punches earlier in their career taken when they are less conditioned to absorbing punishment will forever be remembered as the hardest blows they ever took.