[1954] Ezzard Charles: Marciano doesn't really hit hard, Walcott punches harder

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  1. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    yea Charles had a ton of heart he went down several times from some big shots but this beating finished him. Like I said before Marciano could continually brutalise you like he did with Charles,LaStarza,Moore & also take you out with one shot like he did to Layne, Walcott, Vingo, Louis and others

    Walcott was a pinpoint puncher & sneaky sharp & crafty, he could time you & find openings but you can not measure his KO power next to Marciano who punched you everywhere and continuously.

    I remember Jimmy Ellis dropping Ringo Bonavena with pinpoint punchers and Jimmy Young put Foreman down with a combo & Ali who was a ok puncher KO Foreman,Liston and tko Bonavena

    pin point punchers are different than guys like Dempsey, Louis and Marciano. These guys could punch with either hand but sometimes had to keep dropping their opponent till the fight was stopped Dempsey vs Willard, Louis vs Primo Carnera & Marciano vs Charles & Moore
     
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  2. PhillyPhan69

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    At the end of the day does anyone really care who hit the hardest, who had the most power or who was strongest.

    I am not sure that guys like Marciano, JCC, Frazier had great one punch power....again who cares, they were good enough to wear down opponents and win, whether from amazing KO power, cumulative effect or a combination of the two...who cares about power and hardest punch
     
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  3. mrkoolkevin

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    Very interesting. Do you know when Goldman made those comments about Rocky's punching power?
     
  4. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Good point.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Charles named Satterfield and Marshall as the two hardest hitters he faced.
    Moore, Durelle.
    Louis, Delaney.
     
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  6. catchwtboxing

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    Yes, of course: he beat Satterfield and Marshall. No one likes to name the guy who starched them as the hardest hitter. Holmes says that Shaver hit harder than Tyson, Braddock said that Baer hit harder than Louis, etc.

    If is foolish.
     
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  7. Seamus

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    A good, little attrition puncher.
     
  8. Jackomano

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    I got the information from interviews from 1965. One article was from Boxing & Wrestling and the other interview was from Detroit Jewish News.

    Also, although this is unrelated to Marciano I remember Goldman being extremely critical about Firpo to the point that the interviewer changed the subject.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

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    I don't like when Ezz talks about this fight, too much sour grapes and bitterness. I normally make up my own mind on people's power and think that most fighters are bias to a degree.

    But with Ezzard I think he really believes that Walcott hit him harder, after all that KO was brutal, moreso than what Marciano hit him with.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Louis wasn't a pin point puncher? He was one of the most correct, effective, and economical punchers of all time!Marciano threw heavy punches all night ,his accuracy was not too special, but because of his conditioning, his ability to continuously sustain his attack was exceptional.
    Marciano systematically ground Charles down to the point of token resistance

    Walcott ko'd Charles with a picture perfect left after kidding Charles to watch for the right, he went down like he had been shot
    Foreman walked right into Young's shot and was up without a count.
     
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  11. mcvey

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    A great little attrition puncher!

    "Rocky ground you down." Archie Moore.
     
  12. mcvey

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    Marshall also beat Charles, flooring him 8 times,in the 8rds the fight lasted.So there's that theory out the window!
    Louis beat Baer, he could have said Max hit him harder than whoever, but he didn't, he expressly said Delaney hit him the hardest.

    Got the quote from Braddock where he says Baer hit him harder than Louis? I'd like to see that!

    "I got 23 stitches in my face.The punch he knocked me out with ,he hit me with a left hook in the stomach ,this was in the eight round,and a right hand in the mouth,and I naturally had the mouthpiece in.He drove the tooth through the mouthpiece and right through the lip.
    You see what power that guy had.When he knocked me down,I could have stayed there for three weeks."Jim Braddock ,talking about the Louis fight.September 9th 1972.
     
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  13. Bummy Davis

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    Perhaps you misread my post

    pin point punchers are different than guys like Dempsey, Louis and Marciano.
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    I think you should re-read it yourself pal. It implies that Louis isn't a pin point puncher.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Yes it does.
    My contention is that Louis was a pin point puncher.
    You stated he was not.
     
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