[1955] Don C0ckell on Marciano's Power

He called Louis a rythmn puncher.It's on," Louis v Walcott The Way It Was."
"Marciano had no science no ability to do anything but throw punches like throwing a base ball"

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Walcott also called Marciano the hardest puncher he ever fought on the Warner Wolf show

 

LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF THE MEN MARCIANO STOPPED. HOW MANY MILES ON THE CLOCK, AGE, PREVIOUS BOUTS, ETC.

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO GET THROUGH YOU PEOPLE?

If he was more of a brutal 1 hit puncher then he'd do it all the time.

The fact is he simply couldn't against cokkel. Thats the point of the thread. Rocky landed flush power punch after power punch and realized he needed to break him down.

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The footage of the fight, Rocky's own statements and cokkel's comments that rocky "simply threw more" are indicative of a volume puncher. You can whine and complain and play with words all you want but those are the facts.

I dont care about what you think Mathews or layne would have said. Again, i am strictly going by facts.

Louis, Moore, Charles, cokkel, 4 of rocky's best opponents all comment that the biggest obstacle with rocky was his sheer pressure and volume of punches. There isnt anything to "interpret" here.

Honestly, it couldn't be more plain as day and you still try to wiggle around the elephant in the room. Its almost praiseworthy.

Except they do.

What part of rocky took longer to stop worse versions of the exact same opponent indicates to you he was a 1 shot knockout artist? Literally none of the information ive provided can support this line of thinking.

You're more than welcome to try instead of simply responding "nope".

Nice straw man. Nowhere did i say that. Im going by his height on boxrec and you posted a silly photograph with awkward angles. That isn't evidence.

The stubborn guy who repeats the same arguments in the same kinds of threads every month and gets called out and laughed at every time is telling me i need to move on???

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You literally just explained with your own words why it wasnt a "one punch" ko.

Weight lifting strength=/=punching strength and endurance.

On average, it is significantly more difficult to stop fighter B than fighter A if both are in shape and skilled competent boxers and fighter B is much larger. Stopping Frank Bruno is significantly more difficult than stopping Muhammad Qawi. There are exceptions but this is common sense. Its why boxers who move up in weight and carry their power and win belts are given a lot of credit. Dont you know boxing history? Its why people marveled at tommy hearns and ray Robinson.

Since we're bringing up other sports, wrestling disagrees with you. The reason Alexander Karelin is given so much credit is because it is that much harder to power lift suplex and slam men over 200+ lbs. He is given p4p props despite being a heavyweight.

For the 5th time now rocky stopped men who weren't very durable to begin with. That's the part you're not getting.

I can grant the line of reasoning "stopping a tough durable guy>>>stopping a guy whose simply big" if rocky didn't have so many men who were brutally kod before they faced him.

He doesn't have a bunch of Chuvalos or bonavenas or even berbick level fighters on his resume (in terms of chin). His resume is mostly men who were past their prime and/or had been brutally KO'd before.

There isn't anything weak about the argument. If rocky hit significantly harder his results would speak for themselves but they don't.

Marciano had a stylistic advantage over Walcott, was younger, had more stamina, used an aggressive non stop power punching approach and supposedly hit harder than Louis but took 13 rounds.

How you can look at these facts while admitting Louis was the more effective and efficient puncher and coming to the conclusion that rocky hit harder and still maintaining he was a brutal 1 hitter quitter puncher is the epitome of cognitive dissonance. You are literally trying to believe 2 contradictory ideas at the same time.

He was a nobody at the time rocky beat him.

This is like trying to give Ali credit for stopping archie moore because he "used to be" a top contender.

This is the kind of bull $#!% im talking about.

>If rocky KO's an opponent (Layne) and they are later on shown to get brutally stopped by other fighters rocky gets all the credit because he "broke them".

>when rocky faces an opponent who was broken down and brutally stopped previously, he also gets credit and a bunch of excuses if he takes long to stop that opponent.

You guys are hilarious.

 

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There is to much to go over in here lol try one statement at a time. But I’ve laid out the stats time and time again and stated Marciano had around average competition in his time. But he did what he had to against them. Also you have to understand and I’ve stated this before with no answer Marciano knocked out everyone he fought and only six men did it quicker then him. Law of averages buddy you can’t really argue with it. No matter how much you scream about it the STATS are in Marciano’s favor

 

Also reading up on fighters may give you a little bit of information on them before spouting off. Layne was finished after the Marciano fight and the proof is in his results. I wouldn’t say Marciano ruined him I’d say he stopped training because it’s obvious in his weight and reports lol. Reading helps. It’s also not other people’s fault you and others under rate his competition. Walcott was the champion he wasn’t run down lol . Archie was fighting probably the best of his career. Layne was a hell of a prospect and great win. Matthews was a good fighter cocked and Lastarza were good fighters. Louis was still a threat although probably only half the fighter he was. He faced some good tests. Overall compared to other greats though his competing at best totally was only average or even slightly below. That being said he took care of business. I still need an answer as to why Marciano knocked out everyone the seventh fastest in HISTORY yet has no power? The statements here make no sense.

 

Please show us the post that states Marciano had no power?

Marciano ruined guys precisely because he was an attrition puncher.Layne,Lastarza,Charles,Cokkell, were never the same after being put through the ringer by him. Being taken out with one shot does not inflict the damage on a man that a steady incessant bombardment does.

 

No the stats are not in his favor.

State who you think are Marciano's 6 best opponents and i will prove it to you.

 

Walcott x2
Charles x2
Archie
Louis
Layne
La starza
There’s 8 to choose Your argument of X fighter knocked out someone at such and such a time but Marciano did it in x time is no offense but juvenile. Styles make fights and no one knows how said fighter or opponent is health wise or whatever thag day. But what you can do is go by averages. And Marciano like I’ve repeatedly said and you don’t want to respond to is the seventh fastest KO artist in HISTORY. Your opinion as to the opponent is no offense worthless. I’ve given you the proof go look at the numbers in comparison to other fighters (boxing by the numbers is a good reference book for this stuff).

 

All you do is bang on about stats ,without any regard for quality of opposition!
Here is a stat for you to consider.
Of Marciano's 49 fights his opponents ,when he fought them, had a combined total of 117stoppages on their records!
Here's another they had a total of 536 losses .
Five of them were inside the lght heavy limit,and 3 were debutees.
Eight were at or under 18Olbs.

 

I said several times his opposition was average or slightly below go back and read lol what more do u want!!!! Doesn’t change the fact he never missed a beat.

 

People underestimate just how hard it is to know someone out .. years ago I had a detailed discussion with Aaron Pryor about this topic and he said there are many elements involved .. Marciano was a huge puncher , especially P4P but like most KO artists usually slugged away until he managed to end it ..

 

Not hard to knock those guys out ,it had happened 117 times before!

 

Who else did it all the time? Roberto Duran? Jack Dempsey? Mike Tyson? Sonny Liston, Lennox Lewis? Did they do it all the time?

and we all know why that is don’t we? It’s because you’re still trying to force that square peg into the round hole forcing you not to accept what your own eyes are telling you.

The part where he knocks fighters out with one shot?

no it was not just silly photographs. I also produced the film where Charles is towering over Satterfeild during the ring instructions.

 

Not several times, a good 55% of the time.