World title fights that had the same gap in terms of reach as Hagler v Duran

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mark ant, Dec 17, 2019.


  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    36,654
    16,559
    May 4, 2017
    Which world title fights contained one fighter with a shorter reach like Duran had v Hagler, it was a huge gap, 75-67 and how many of the shorter armed fighters did as well as Duran did in the respective handicap matches?
     
  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,108
    5,698
    Feb 26, 2009
    Then you have Wilfred Benitez with a 70 inch reach outboxing Duran easily. Only 3 inches and about 2 years earlier. Maybe Hagler just didn't have fire the night he fought Duran. That happens to fighters. As they said about Duran with the excuses everytime he lost to the greats he fought. Maybe it just was not Hagler's night. Had that been the real Hagler he would have steamrolled Duran in a couple of rounds.
     
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2019
    Hookandjab likes this.
  3. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,717
    8,937
    Nov 21, 2009
    Hard to take you serious PERNELL when a thread is set up just for you but instead of posting new material you ignore it and once more head straight for a Duran thread. YOU SIR, ARE A BITTER , ENVIOUS DURAN HATER. THIS PROVES IT. JUST ADMIT IT.
     
  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

    4,896
    7,569
    Jul 18, 2018
    Marciano vs Everyone

    Louis vs Carnera

    Wlad vs Povetkin

    Actually tons now that I think about it
     
  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

    4,896
    7,569
    Jul 18, 2018
    Your comment had literally nothing to do with the subject of the thread and feels like it went out of its way to bash on Duran
     
  6. blackfella96

    blackfella96 Active Member Full Member

    573
    689
    Jul 10, 2019
    Quiet a few heavyweights, AJ and Ruiz was a huge reach disadvantage and we know what happened the first fight around.
    Tony Tucker and Tyson as well.
    Chagaev had a near 10 inch reach disadvantage against Valuev and won also.
     
    Clinton likes this.
  7. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,108
    5,698
    Feb 26, 2009
    Not really. Duran threads make me realize how unfair people are to his opponents so I mention the obvious. Hagler had a 75 inch reach advantage, yet Benitez had a 70.
     
  8. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,108
    5,698
    Feb 26, 2009
    Actually no. I am not a Duran hater. Not at all. If you would ask my friends who are into boxing this question they would say " a hater? he doesn't even mention Duran much". He likes Duran." Honestly. It does not come up when I talk boxing. It is the format where both sides are not seen. I think his fans come to this conclusion that I hate him when they do not hear someone say the usual thought. Hate as in what? I don't know him. He was great and I have said he was one of the greatest instinctive fighters ever . He was. I have not been unfair to Duran at all. I said he was great, but I don't want to get into fantasyland with him and yet others who fought just as great fighters are held to higher scrutiny. How is that fair. Michael Spinks losing to Tyson. That was always factored in. Hearns losing to Ray and Marvin. And he could have great wins against Roberto, Wilfred, Pipino and Virgil. Tyson. A great run and yet his losses sort of follow him.

    Duran's fighting is not something I dislike. He is a great fighter. What I never liked in regards to Duran was one thing. The excuses and the way the excuses are bought by people. And even lesser fighters like Kovalev and Ruiz. Much lesser guys. I just don't like excuses. I never did. It takes away from the opponent. Buddy McGirt. Fights opponents and we get all hyped up about him and he loses. And why? Later it comes out he had the rotator cuff injury.

    I would have felt the excuses meant more had he lost to Moore and Barkley but beat Benitez and Hearns. You understand? Yet the truth was he lost to the better fighters and then he had the excuses. A hater of Duran? No not at all. He has a great personality and he looks like a great man. I don't know him. This is all about boxing and fairness.
     
  9. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

    10,088
    19,194
    Jul 25, 2015
    Panama Al Brown vs Newsboy Brown.

    Depending on the source, with Panama Al Brown usually being cited as 5'11 and having a 76inch reach, and Newsboy Brown being 5'1, which would lead to an average reach of around 61 inches, Brown had up to a maximum of 15 inches on the smaller great Newsboy. If you take other reports, he still had 11 1/2 inches of reach on him.

    Newsboy Brown also gave up a maximum of 10 inches in height.

    Oh, and the Newsboy won the bout, by the way!
     
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    36,654
    16,559
    May 4, 2017
    No, Hagler didn`t have Heans power and Duran fought far smarter v Hagler than he did v Benitez, plus Wilfredo was hardder to hit than Hagler.
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    36,654
    16,559
    May 4, 2017
    Maybe, but Liston was only 6ft but had a reach of 84 inches, longer than Wilder`s at 83 inches, sometimes height doesn`t match reach in the average sense that you are mentioning.
     
    roughdiamond likes this.
  12. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

    10,088
    19,194
    Jul 25, 2015
    I know, but I couldn't find a reference for Newsboy's reach, so I just used the average for his height as a comparison.
     
    mark ant likes this.
  13. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,108
    5,698
    Feb 26, 2009
    Hagler was there for the right hand against Duran and Benitez was not. That did not have to do with Duran but Benitez. Even against Hearns, Hagler was hit much more cleanly than Benitez was, although Hagler also hit Hearns cleaner than Benitez did. Styles make fights.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    36,654
    16,559
    May 4, 2017
    Losing Hearns weren`t a bad thing at all, Tommy was unbeatable at 154 and only got let down by his chin v Ray at 147 after outboxing Leonard, Duran was also far better P4P than Spinks, it was common knowledge that McGirt had an inflamed bicep or shoulder for most of his career, it was even mentioned by commentators during his title fight v Taylor, it wan`t a dubois excuse for his losses at all.
     
  15. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,108
    5,698
    Feb 26, 2009
    No losing to Hearns was never bad, but Benitez beating Ray or Tommy would have elevated him to the level they were at, yet probably dropped them a notch. So it balances out. Duran was better p4p than Spinks? Well they were both great. I always regarded Spinks as one of the best yet the Tyson loss really ended his career almost faster than I ever saw a career end.. His win against Holmes regardless of Larry's age was impressive and surprising and even thought Mike Tyson beat him, Mike never had a win like that. That was skill and greatness. McGirt set that excuse up with his rotator. I remember one time he was watching a fight I forget which one ready to sign to fight the guy who was fighting and he was having treatment on the shoulder as he was watching the fight. Talk about setting up the excuse.