Why does Floyd not get the credit today for beating Manny ?

Pacquiao declined much faster. When did Tyson’s decline happen? Pacquiaos assets wasn’t skills in particular, it was explosiveness, feet and stamina. He was still explosive but his stamina was gone, he would eat tired in fights as seen in the Bradley fight and he didn’t have that kangaroo step anymore.

There’s also the fact that floyd was caught outright cheating with the illlegal IV and ultra high T/E ratio. And I know people will say that’s not caught but come on, if the reverse happened and Pac was caught with ultra high T/E ratio and found with illegal IVs and didn’t file for TUE 21 days after the fight, what would you say? In addition to that, what if Floyd was denied xylocaine for his hands as well and broke it during the fight? And then the fight took place in Manila. And let’s say Pac was the bigger man too.

I’m not even asking for bias, just an outright honest opinion of how you would rate Mannys win over floyd if all the above was true (which they were).

I still rate it as floyds best win, because manny that night would have still beaten anyone on Floyds record. But the cards was stacked against Pac, no denying that.

 

He does. He get's loads of credit. It's an excellent win and is one of the reasons he's considered one of the two best of his era - he beat the other one who can claim that title. I still hold Manny of the best of the era.

It wasn't a prime Pac however, Manny had clearly slipped a step since his absolute prime. H2H I think Floyd always beats him, but that's a fight we'll never see to know.

 

Pac was further from his prime and has a style that declined much more rapidly as it relied on athleticism. His absolute prime he had much better athleticism and punch output than he could pull off in 2015. He started to decline around 2010.

He's still so competitive today because he was that good, but then so was Floyd.

 

The fight was not close. Floyd made a declined Pac look hopeless in there. It wasn't a May-Marquez type of schooling, but it was still a schooling.

 

He does. You're just asking the wrong people!

 

No schooling took place. Pac came forward all night long, authored the two most significant sequences of the fight both times buzzing Floyd, and was tit for tat the rest of the way with Floyd. Neither men did much, but Pac did more. Well, Floyd initiated 20+ clinches and he was busted using illegal IVs.

 

This^^^

 

It was a schooling. Pac barely landed a clean shot all night.

I was a Pac fan, I picked Pac. I couldn't have been more wrong.

Floyd picked him off all night. 118-110.

 

WTF?

Pac buzzed him in the 4th and then again in the 6th and ripped Floyd to the head and body with combinations. Outside of that, he was tit for tat with Floyd in punches landed.

Watch the fight again.

 

The common misconception is that Manny refused testing. He didn't. He just wanted a window. And his reason for wanting a window is perfectly plausible. He said that back in 2005 against Morales, he was given a blood test but it somehow got mislaid. Which meant that they asked him to submit another one just prior to the fight. And he said that he felt weakened because of it. He said there wasn't the same snap on his punches etc. And Morales also agreed with that statement. The last time I checked, those 2005 articles were still online. This was about 6 years before there was any talk of them fighting.

They couldn't compromise on a window. You know what happened. They went back and forth and Manny agreed to take a blood and urine sample directly after the fight. But Floyd wouldn't agree. So we had a stalemate. Then a few years later Manny agreed to all of Floyd's demands. But it still took another 1-2 years to make the fight. So that proved to me that it wasn't the testing that had held everything up.

Floyd and his family slandered Manny for years, which lead to them apologising in court and paying a fine, because they had zero evidence of any wrongdoing. Not agreeing to all of Floyd's demands did not make Manny guilty of anything. In my opinion, Floyd just didn't want the fight earlier. There's no other way for me to see things. Floyd could have given Manny his cut off days, as long as an after fight blood test was written into the contact with as many clauses as he wished. Nobody else had an issue fighting Manny. Floyd only started his mission of trying to clean up the sport, after his father had accused Manny of cheating. But before that, Floyd had zero issue with any of his opponents.

The irony of all that nonsense, was that after years of tarnishing Manny's name, it was Floyd who was caught with a saline IV. And I don't care what statements guys like Bob Bennet release, it's completely illogical to believe that Floyd needed that due to severe dehydration. It's simply not plausible. He only needed to lose about 4 pounds a month from the fight, and we all know that Floyd is in shape all throughout the year. In the last week of camp, everything is done. Fighters wind down at that stage. Floyd didn't have to dehydrate himself at all for the weigh-in. And that amount of saline is classed as a medical emergency, which means that if he'd have gone through the official channels and done things by the book, he'd have needed admitting to hospital. Having it on his sofa just screamed out that something was amiss.

The fight itself was very poor. Both had declined, but Manny more so. And Manny was injured too. In my honest opinion, Floyd would always have beaten Manny. I think his huge reach would always have been the most significant factor. But in my opinion, he just didn't want to take the risk earlier. Again, I can't see it from any other angle. Floyd is one of the greatest fighters of all time. You could even proclaim him as the GOAT on a H2H basis. But despite all of his incredible talent, he didn't have the confidence and belief that he should have done. If you look back through his career, there's many examples of that.

If Floyd had really wanted to have fought Manny sooner, it would have happened.

 

Look at my avatar.

 

It was one of the worst big fights I’ve seen
Even Floyd’s dad said “quit fighting scared!”
That’s all you need to know

 

Floyd gets too much credit for beating Canelo and not enough credit for beating Manny so it almost evens things out in my opinion.