Manny Pacquiao vs..?

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    How does the Mexicutioner do against these Mexicans?

    Carlos Palomino at 147
    Julio Cesar Chavez at 140
    José Luis Ramirez at 135
    Vincent Saldivar at 126
    Saldavor Sanchez at 126
     
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  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Beats Palomino by decision. Fun fight.
    Loses to Chavez. Pick em fight.
    Beats Ramirez.
    Loses clearly to Saldivar. Awesome fight though.
    Loses widely to Sanchez.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Now. I'll preface this by saying I know it won't be popular. But I also don't care.

    Pacquiao UD12 Palomino
    Pacquiao SD12 Chavez
    Pacquiao TKO4 Ramirez
    Pacquiao TKO11 Saldivar
    Pacquiao UD12 Sanchez
     
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    What did Pac do at all stylewise to favour him over Sanchez at 126, especially to earn a UD? His raw, aggressive and constantly leading style perfectly compliments Sanchez. Pac would bother Salvador at the most for a few early rounds due to his physicality and southpaw movement.
     
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    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    And by that, I don't think Sanchez completely dominates him after 4 rounds or whatever, but that Sanchez adapts to him in a Nelson style situation and consistently beats him to the punch.
     
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  6. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAJHAHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

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    Like Escobar's? ;)
    I think Pac is quicker than Sanchez, and hits hard enough to hurt him. I think Sanchez has the style to beat Pacquiao, but his defence would be more leaky due to not being able to get off first. Also I'm doubt in doubt of how Sanchez keeps Pacquiao off without a pin point punch or serious strength. Sanchez would definitely do well though, after all he is in the drivers seat stylewise and has that silky defense and his counter punching, he'd definitely clip Manny coming in. And by UD I mean like 8-4 not a shut out.
    So in short, Pac lands more and isn't deterred from Sanchez, but eats a few counters. Sanchez isn't embarrassed but losses clearly enough.

    Oh and just because I think Pac wins a UD doesn't mean I think it's a certainty. I see it as near 50-50 coz of the style clash, but Pacs speed tips me to him.
    Like I said, not popular.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

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    Fam. We both know this isn't close to either of our worst takes.
     
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  9. roughdiamond

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    Escobar was a freak anomaly. Bigger punchers and much better fighters couldn't do anything to Sanchez, and usually got countered to oblivion if they forced the issue. Sanchez was also still a teenager.

    I don't know where this idea Sanchez's defense was 'leaky' comes from. It was getting 'leakier', but look how he performed against big punchers like Lopez and Bazooka - rarely caught flush.

    I don't know why 'getting off first' is an issue, since Sanchez's while style was to move, time and counter you. He didn't need to get off first, and he wouldn't need to here.

    And Sanchez's punch was pin pint enough to stop Lopez, who took loads of punishment, and immediately hurt Bazooka, and stop both him and ATG Nelson.

    Sanchez would time that brilliant trick overhand right on Pac over and over again. If Marques could do it, Sanchez would rain it down on him.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    I know. I was joking.
    It wasn't leaky I agree, poor wording on my part. But I mean he wouldn't be as effective against someone who imo is considerably quicker.
    Again probably poor wording on my part, getting off first isn't what I meant, I mean Pacquiao would be able to close the distance and crowd Sanchez at an odd angle and so would be able to land more, he's quick and accurate enough to do it imo.

    Yeah, I should probably communicate what I mean better.

    I know Sanchez had a good punch. But Pacquiao is unquestionably tougher than those 3, and imo a much better FW. He'd definitely do better than those guys at least imo.
    Marquez used a straight right hand to catch Pac coming in, Pac wasn't really ever at a considerable weakness to an overhand. He was more susceptible to straight shorts, whilst being squared up as he tended to walk right into them.

    Also, since it's blatant we aren't gonna change eachother's minds, agree to disagree. I'm just showing I have thought about it and haven't just picked a winner based on nothing.
     
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  11. The Morlocks

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    I could see this easily. Although Ramirez to me would last longer. Sanchez or any other sit and wait counterpuncher never saw anything like the featherweight blitzkrieg Pac attack. He swept good fighters just away. I could see him taking out Chavez in a tornado of power also.
     
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  12. Fergy

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    No I totally get it. Sometimes it's hard to put across with the typed word exactly how you mean to say it. It sounds OK in your mind but by the time you get it down it's not how you want it.. Right George?
     
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  13. Reinhardt

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    I don't think Manny did anything at 126 to make me think he'd beat Wilfredo Gomez much less Sanchez.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    Was beating Barrera and a dropping Marquez 3 times not good enough for you?
     
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  15. PhillyPhan69

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    beats Palomino and Ramirez by decision
    Loses decisions to Saldivar Sanchez and JCC....there is no way he is “stopping” Saldivar! That’s crazy talk!
     
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