If Some Of Today's Heavies Were In The Condition Of Jeffries In 1910?

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    No fairy tale about his stamina.

    His Boxing skill though...
     
  2. George Crowcroft

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    To be fair, he wasn't wrong.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

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    Quite literally the entire top 10 would be stronger than Jeffries. Hunter being the lone exception, and it's debatable he isn't top 10. In fact, I'd pick my entire top 10 to beat Jeffries, who is unbelievably overrated.
     
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  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    There's no way dudes like Ruiz and Wilder and Fury are stronger than Jeffries
     
  5. George Crowcroft

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    Lol ok. We'll ignore the freakish size differences then, Ruiz is 80lbs heavier. 80lbs. And strong. Ruiz is the one I'd have picked first over Jeffries. Fury is about 55lbs heavier lol and was able to manhandle Wlad in the clinch. Wilder is the same size(ish) and ragdolled 240lbs Ortiz with one arm in the first fight. When did Jeffries do that?
     
  6. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Jeffries was 6' 220lbs of solid muscle mass. Wilder is 6'7 209, he simple doesn't have the build or the leverages to be as strong, though Wilder is freakishly strong for his build

    Ruiz is fat. He's 60lbs of fat over Jeffries. Jeffries is physically stronger and has a higher FFMI.

    Fury isn't 55lbs heavier and he didn't manhandle Wlad, that oldass version of Wlad. Jeffries again is the physically stronger man than that fatass lanky ******* who would struggle to bench 225lbs once or do 5 pullups
     
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  7. roughdiamond

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    It's my unpopular opinion that Prime Sullivan would also beat Jefferies, though Sullivan is a case where conjecture can abound.
     
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  8. Seamus

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    He was 6 foot, 220 and ran 100 yards in 11 seconds and high jumped 5 feet. Pretty sad measurables by modern athlete standards.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

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    205*. Against Sharkey and Fitz he was 205lbs.
    And your point? Mass is mass, Ruiz can use it.
    260-205 = 55. He pulled Wlad around and dominated the cliches. And that "old ass version of Wlad" would've beat everyone Jeffries fought and Jeffries.
     
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  10. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    He was 225 against Johnson and Munroe and 220 in his Fitz rematch. Didn't you know that he was mistakenly water cutting early in his career
     
  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Not for a boxer, perhaps for an NFL player, but ain't no NFL players also do 14 miles roadwork and carry 200lbs game on their back for 7 miles
     
  12. Entaowed

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    Nah, he does not have that little muscle.
    I would say a LBL (lean body mass, if je jad zero fat) of 175-180.
    So rippedsay at a bit under 10% BF, a good 195.

    He was fat even for the first fight against Joshua, but not as fat as you think.
    He has big shoulders, chest, strong legs....If he was like you said-at least 6' where he could make MW, & 140 or 147 with rehydration...
    He would not have much muscle at all.
    Instead, he does not have a lot for a modern SHW. But much more than an average man.
    Similar LBM to Louis, Frazier, & many others.
     
  13. roughdiamond

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    He was joking...
     
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  14. It's Ovah

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    If Ruiz trained down to his best he'd probably be a cruiserweight. I think people would be shocked by how small he looked. He's easily the most grossly obese HW I've ever seen competing at the top level. A real slob of a man (but a hell of a fighter).

    Arreola would probably operate a little south of 200. Maybe 210-215. He's not a particularly large framed guy.

    Whyte would be around the same weight.

    Joshua would be around 220-230. Maybe less.

    Parker would be around 220. He's a bit more thicker set than a lot of those guys but hides his weight well. Ortiz too.

    Wilder would be the same. He's the only HW who's fighting at his optimal weight IMO.

    Povetkin would be sub-200. Like Jerry Quarry size.
     
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  15. Seamus

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    Nice fiction writing.

    Have you ever been near Arreola or Povetkin? Arreola is a legit 6-4, a big dude, plenty large of frame. 235 is a great weight. Hell, at 244 he threw 1100+ punches against Kownacki.

    I was surprised at how thick Potetkin is, thick jointed, heavy shoulders. Over a 14 year pro career, he has only varied 10 pounds. He would never be sub-200.
     
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