How does prime Wladimir Klitschko do today?

Really? Wlad always got up after being dropped.
Peter dropped him 3 times and he got up to win the fight, and KOed him in the rematch.
When was Wlad ever KOed with 1 shot?

 

That's not accurate, he was a tough strong mother ****er that could give everyone a hard night if not beat them, including Wilder Joshua etc who I would make him a fav over

 

He’d beat them all, biggest challenge still being Fury but if stars aligned to allow Wilder to land, you best bet Wlad would find a way too.
There is a possibility of him getting KO’d by pretty much everyone, just like it always was, especially by AJ and Wilder but other than that, he’d dominate these guys.

 

He was tough and strong but wouldnt beat those guys. You are delusional making him favorite

 

Hes to relentless and heavy handed for the bodybuilder and Wilder wouldn't fight him any way, probably still wouldn't now !

 

First of all, when was Wlads prime? When he was a fearsome offensive monster who knocked opponents silly and in turn could get knocked out or gassed out, or when he later became a safety first tactician who used his length and size to win often boring and ugly decisions?

In any case, Wlad would not be as dominant in todays division as he was on his time. But he would still, and definitely, be a major player.

I also believe he would beat AJ. I mean, at 40 years old he took AJ to the brink of defeat. He literally was 1 good punch away from a KO victory. Even in a losing effort, that was one of Wlads very best performances in his whole career.

Fury probably has his number, and I would pick Wilder over Wlad too. I would never have said that of Wilder just a couple years ago. But Wilder and Fury are both mentally extremely tough. Much tougher than Wlad (or AJ for that matter).

 

That's obvious.

The point is very simple. Both men have the power to end the other's night early, but one man (Wlad) also has considerably better chances of doing so on account of his far superior boxing skills. At that point any puncher's chance Wilder has drops to precisely zero because he'll be laid out in a dribbling mess on the canvas.

To say otherwise presupposes two things:

- Wlad can't punch hard enough to knock Wilder out (he can).
- Wilder's chin is too good to be cracked by Wlad (it isn't).

Of course Wilder's power and dimensions give him a better than average chance to knock Wlad out, but that chance is still minuscule compared to Wlad's chances of doing the same to Wilder. Can you at least agree to that?

 

Tricky question to answer.

His physical prime straddled the pre- and post-Steward transition, while his technical skills began to improve under Steward and extended well into his tenure with Manny. The Wlad that was outboxing the likes of Brewster, Ibragimov and Chagaev without breaking a sweat was Wlad at his physical and technical best, IMO, though you could argue that he was also still prime when he beat Haye; his footwork and jab game in that bout were otherworldly.

At some point his safety first approach began to erode his other skills, such that he became quite one-dimensional. That one dimension was fine against most fighters he fought, but when Fury came along -- probably the only man who could take him out of that comfort zone -- he completely fell apart where the earlier more vicious Wlad would have fought back and probably won.

Basically the early Wlad could have taken anyone out, but was also extremely unreliable due to his gas and/or anxiety issues. The post-Steward Wlad was a far more consistent and professional operator whose general fluidity and killer instinct began to wane the more entrenched in his style he got. Somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot.

 

Wlad can knock out Wilder with either hand. People often forget about this. Making his jab even more successful.

Wlad had the 123 and because of that every single out of those 3 got even more effective because of that. It's harder to counter when you have more focus points to worry about.

 

No I disagree with almost everything here other than the bit about neither of them being McCall.

I don't think Wlad has a better chance of ending the night early as his style isn't geared towards that and Wilder is the faster and more aggressive fighter.

I don't think Wilders chance reduces to zero.

I presupposed none of those two things.

I don't think Wilders chance is miniscule compared to Wlads.

 

When was anyone ever koed with 1 shot before they were?

 

I see a prime Wlad beating all the present crop of heavyweights, only uncertainty would be a fit and focussed Fury, as he brings a fight style that is not always easily overcome, but i do believe the K brothers and their team would find a way.

Wlad was a big strong unit, had a skill set and fight style that got the job done, and what some overlook is the K brothers brought a strong cerebral element to their game, so would have a game plan for AJ, Wilder and the others.

However this is the heavyweights, and one punch can change the outcome of the best laid plans.

 

Wilder isn't faster than a prime Wlad, and I disagree that he's necessarily going to be able to get off earlier. He wasn't able to against Fury or Ortiz, or even Washington. Wlad would establish his jab early on and start landing his hander shots down the pipe from around the third or fourth round onwards, maybe earlier depending on how he reads Wilder's movement. At that point Wilder is f*****.

So Wilder's chances of KOing Wlad don't drop to zero if he is in fact the one that's been KOed? Er, ok.

So what keeps Wilder in the fight if he's being caught with flush right hands?

It's certainly considerably less, based on all the factors above.

 

Prime Peter was an unskilled caveman, but he was virtually impossible to hurt and didn't give AF about the rules. He was like a heavyweight version of Ricardo Mayorga or Marcos Maidana, just a brute, unorthodox, wild swinger with granite in his fists and concrete in his head.

I'd pick either of the above to beat him by keeping things long (Stiverne and Ruiz blueprint) but if Wilder was foolish enough to try for a firefight he'd get laid out.

 

How’s Wilder faster and more aggressive ?