If Some Of Today's Heavies Were In The Condition Of Jeffries In 1910?

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  1. mcvey

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    Five feet 8 inches ,and usually under 186lbs.
     
  2. mcvey

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    Jeffries was reliably measured at six feet even.
     
  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Nothing special??? You're King of the Wicker People!!!
     
  4. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Might have been an elephant!
     
  5. klompton2

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    It was a remarkable feat and an admirable accomplishment coming back from nearly 300 pounds to get into that kind of condition.
     
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  6. Mendoza

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    Jeffries was out of the ring for 6 years and ballooned up to over 300 pound not to mention was a drinker.

    Things the OP leaves out. Gre o wonder why.

    No heavyweight could come back with above variables against him and become champion again.

    losing the weight can happen for anyone who diets correctly however the cost is often strength.
     
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  7. mcvey

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    Never over 300lbs and down to weight 6 months before the fight.Not that it has any relevance to this thread!
     
  8. Mendoza

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    Seamus, you’re a mystery. On one hand you seem to understand the skills and how styles can make fights. On the other hand you completely blind to the factors the older timers had to endure.

    Today many heavyweight struggle to go 12 rounds and to get there are conservative on their punch counts. What if they had to fight in the outdoors in the sun or non-air-conditioned arenas? What if they had larger ring sizes ( Required more steps ) and a rule set that allowed rough wrestling which drains stamina? Now multiply this times two and you still below 25 rounds! I don’t see anyone today who can go 25 rounds. Also Sharkey was a pressure fighter and in the hall of fame. Not the easiest man to go the distance with. If you knew a lot about Jeffries you would know he had fantastic conditioning and stamina and never punched himself out of had trouble going 20 or 25 rounds. Back in the day, fighters trained down to reach a certain weight. As for Strength, Jeffries was super strong, clearly stronger than Wilder or Fury. Probably stronger the Joshua too.
     
  9. Mendoza

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    BS. He was well over 300 pounds when he was retired. If he stepped on a scale 6 months prior, when he was in the process of losing a lot of weight, post the news link so we can all see it. Not too hard of a request, I suspect you'll go dark.

    Still waiting on the Johnson vs Johnson purse you claimed you knew :)
     
  10. Mendoza

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    I know you don't like the old timers, but can you at least quote them correctly? Jeffries was routinely measured at 6'1 "1/2, with a reach of 76 1'2" including a full tale of the tape by Farmer Burns for the Johnson fight.

    Also he did the 100 in 10.5 seconds, not 11, and jumped 5''10" high.

    As a track guy, correct me if you are not, you should know better. The shoes back then were not nearly as good, and there were not starting blocks to explode out of your stance. Also back then your feet cleared the high bar, as there was no back flop technique. Impressive numbers for ay track guy, and as you all all of them are on PED's.
     
  11. mcvey

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    SF Evening Post Oct 22 1909 Jeffries returns from Carlsbad weighing 228lbs.
    Jeffries stated he had been doing 10 miles of roadwork every morning and working in the gym in the afternoons.
    Jeffries declared he was ready to fight Johnson as soon as possible.This was nine months before their fight!
    SF Evening Post May 10th 1910 Jeffries said he weighed 225lbs.
    Page 223 Chapter 7 Jack Johnson The Reign Adam Pollack!
    The Examiner, Oct 26th 1909,printed photos of Jeffries showed that he has lost the paunch he previously had and was 50 pounds lighter,proving that stores of his systematic training were true .Page227.The Reign
    I will be happy to provide you with the amount of money Johnson received for his bout withJim Johnson,just as soon as you agree to my challenger which is. If I give you the figure you leave this site for good if I fail to do so, I leave for good,Ive challenged you 3 times on this now. All you have to do is accept my challenge!
    So,what are you waiting for? Cut the crap, grow a pair and take the bet!
     
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  12. mcvey

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    Jeffries was measured at six feet even as Old Fogey proved in a post!

    James J Jeffries





    ID# 009022

    Pro Boxing

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    19 1 2
    16 KOs 1 KOs
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    Pro Boxing
    bouts 24
    rounds 222
    KOs 66.67%

    status inactive
    career 1895-1910
    birth name James Jackson Jeffries
    alias The Boilermaker
    born 1875-04-15
    nationality

    USA
    death date 1953-03-03 / age 77
    debut 1895-10-29
    division heavy
    stance orthodox
    height 6′ 0″ / 183cm
    reach

    76½″ / 194cm
    residence

    Burbank, California, USA
    birth place

    Carroll, Ohio, USA
     
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  13. Seamus

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    For a guy who does not like old timers, I sure read a lot about them.

    And one fact I have gleaned from that reading is that Jeffries was repeatedly measured and advertised at 6 feet even.

    Also, I have read his 100 yard time as being 11 seconds, not 10.5.

    This consistent nudging of the facts does not help your credibility.
     
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    Jeffries might have done a bit better if he had come in carrying a few surplus pounds.

    At least it would have been the lesser of the two evils.
     
  15. Seamus

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    Or had some warm up bouts. But according to those in camp, he looked dreadful. So, he was probably too far gone.

    Again, I don't know how great of shape he was in as he was pushed around like a rag doll all afternoon.
     
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