Was Mike Tyson right to bite Holyfield?

As long as he wasn't a vegetarian.

 

@Entaowed Why talking to a moron like that? One post ok. Two post, maybe. After that its **** out, **** it.

Tyson a 185er pounder? Sure, because roided 185er pounders slug it out with the likes of Ruddock, Bruno, or James Smith. Tyson balooned like a pig between fights as well as shortly prior prison. Had difficulties making the 200 limit by the age of 15/16.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...-prison/a6bc0baf-70b6-4d27-a13c-350ef4ceb395/ (275lb)
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/17/sports/boxing-tyson-says-he-has-lost-45-of-60-extra-pounds.html (280lb)
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-08-18-sp-36474-story.html (“Mike’s last five or six fights before he went in [to jail], Mike was losing 30 pounds before each fight,” said co-manager Rory Holloway.)
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/boxing/mike-tyson-would-overweight-pig-20714820
A natural LHW-CW http://www.zimbio.com/Mike+Tyson/articles/65/Mike+Tyson+Fat+pictures+Internet+sensation

Sources are endless. How dumb is this gonna get? Theres another on YT with Tyson coming overweight to the Tucker camp. Two months between Thomas and Tucker....

 

He was in much better shape physically for the re-match but I'm afraid I have to disagree about him doing well in the fight. He had no confidence at all & right from the start he was being pushed back & outmuscled. At the start of the third round he briefly forced Holyfield back by flailing like a madman & he did settle a bit & land a couple of meaty shots before the bite but there was only ever going to be one winner.

 

In fairness, I reckon Holyfield would've.

 

Holyfield was a trimmed 190/200 - 6'2" who was advised to STOP brawling 10000 times, nearly throwing away his titles vs Cooper and co.

 

On a recent Joe Rogan podcast, Teddy Atlas reminisced about other coaches at amateur tournaments giving him a hard time when he showed up with a 12-13 year old, 190lb. Mike Tyson. They were convinced Teddy was lying about Tyson's age and that he was more like 16-17 years old at least. I never doubted Tyson was a real heavyweight and I'm convinced he didn't use steroids in his early career. He was a solid 215-220lber at 19 who DIDN'T lift weights. Bodyweight exercises and steroids do not build a 19" neck and that kind of physique. He was a natural meso/endomorph type who gained muscle and fat easily. He was also a legitimate heavyweight. After prison, I heard an older Tyson dabbled in PED's but that also may have been a function of age and the fact that a lot of other boxers (heavyweights and otherwise) were doing everything in the pre-drug tested 90's.

 

I saw Mike complaining to Mills Lane but why didnt he do anything? But biting was wrong he should have just stopped boxing and officially addressed the headbutting.

 

Because I both value sharing opinions & countering mistakes, & if someone acts abusively it is good to publicly condemn such forum-lowering personal insults. Without being emotionally triggered or stooping to that level.

Anywho, *if* it was true that tyson gained 36 lbs. of muscle in 2 months-even putting it back on/muscle memory...Of course that would be PEDs. But that was not what happened.

 

Good post, but we do not know if it is true that an older Tyson dabbled. He may have.

Tyson had a 19 & 3/4" neck-& that is not shirt collar, but actual neck-& not from being overweight or obese like so many. So just because some on steroids look like that )or much bigger overall), does not mean others cannot get there naturally. And in some cases like him, without much lifting.

 

Tyson came close to securing a fight with Rahman after Rahman beat Lewis. That one would've been interesting.

 

Some folks here make me feel I was watching a different fight. Tyson was losing that second fight, I would think that obvious. It wasn't outrageously different from the first, except Holy looked a little better than he did early on in the first fight.

To me Holy's confidence was intimidating the hell out of Mike , and it bitched the latter out from the stare down on (never seen Mike look so feminine in that context, no offense meant to fans). Mike looked like he DIDN'T want to be there.

But I can't help but repeat: Mike redeemed himself later, and imo solidified his status as a great fighter during the Lewis fight. I don't ever want to say something stupid like Mike had no heart again. He showed it toward the bitter end.

 

Was Lennox Lewis a PED user also, because he got somewhat heavier than Razor, yet when still in his teens...
"As an amateur boxer, Ruddock had a win over Lennox Lewis in March 1980 in Toronto at the Ontario Junior Boxing Championship, winning via a split decision (3:2) in the 75 kg weight class (165 lbs).[5]"

Ali was a LHW & gained near 40 lbs. while remaining lean at his '60's peak-& was heavier in the '70's.
And Ali unlike these guys was neither a power puncher, nor did any weights or tried to bulk up.

My point being that just like regular guys, boxers fill out in during college age years,
You add a weight bearing sport, let alone a make it a larger framed HW trying to bulk up...
Unless you can show some actual evidence of taking steroids, or even circumstantial evidence of rapid muscle gain when already having some size...

You cannot remotely indict a man for a size that many easily reach just from lifting.
I have seen many guys at various gyms, talked about there traiining, you can hit a website about natural muscular potential & see what i know: you cannot fairly or rationally presume to know that someone is using androgen based drugs just because they reach these levels!

Now if we are talking someone near to say Ronnie Coleman-who was under 6' & competed (shredded, likely at under 5% bf) at ~ 300 lbs...
Yeah, that is well beyond what anyone can achieve naturally.

But Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock at a big boned 6' 3" & not particularly lean at 238 in the Tyson rematch, is well within what can be achieved naturally. And even more so if you look at the actual MEASUREMENTS achievable even at just 8-10%.
Just enter in his likely/tale of the tape wrist & ankle measurements, what you think his body fat was-& you will see unlike say Frank Bruno, the same height & visibly leaner even at 247...
He was not nearly pushing the limits of what can be accomplished naturally.

http://www.weightrainer.net/bodypred.html

 

Holyfield abused roids far more than anyone I've seen in a boxing ring. That **** wasn't funny with Lee Haney at the helm. Evan Fields could've fit right in with Vince McMahon and the WWF in the 90's.

 

Yeah, just a few, but Holyfield is thee poster boy homie. Don't act like it's a cool thing to do. Evan Fields reigns supreme as the undisputed champion belt holder. Don't ****in deny it pud!! Straight up factual.

Hepatitis C? A hole in his heart? Yeah, nobody was the king of excuses like your boy Evan Fields.

 

OK Unforgiven, you are an excellent poster. You must like the redemptive, more brutally realistic Clint Eastwood picture...

But if you know that a big boned man your height could be your 220 lbs-I will bet farly lean, right?...Why on earth could Ruddock, given years of training after your yooung age & really trying to, excelent full time training as his full time job, not stressing tons of cardio & endurance, relying on "The smash"....Not easily be 230 naturally?
Or even 240, especially with a bit more body fat?

Don't you think YOU could have done this if you realy tried=while as lean as Ruddock, while training in boxing & not having an ennervating f/t job + access to excellent nutrition & advice? And you may not even have bones as thick as Razor-which make it easier to gain more muscle.
Him accusing others of using is not good evidence of his own guilt.
He could be projecting or deflecting possible suspicion...Or just hate to see himself possibly losing because of cheating-& many did cheat. Who do you think he accused who was likely innocent?

But you are not using the intellectual rigor you often excercise by being pretty sure Lewis 7 Tyson used.
Why wouldn't they is not a good argument.
But they might not because it was not worth the risk...Especially when Tyson was big & strong by 13 & before either weightlifting, boxing, or any credible access to drugs.

And Louis was tall & long enough to be up to the mid 240's without being overweight.
I mean even without maximizing your efforts to add muscle, IF you were 2" taller, & if you had just a few more lbs. of fat...Would you not have weighed that much also?

Bottom line is either of them could have used.
But we have no good cause to believe that they must have, or very likely did.