Marciano v Cokkell In Color D Brown The Plusses & The Negatives

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I don’t think you are referring to the time after Don settled as a heavyweight.

Cokkell was also 178lb. Again, we are not talking of the period where Don was established as a heavyweight. It’s like mentioning Jimmy Ellis losing to Huricane Carter. Ludicrous.

Lastarza was the outstanding contender to Marciano. He fought Cokkell on the back of that. So you are being wise after the event.

Mathews beat who he had to beat in order to rate as highly as he did.

That is unfair. The guy was rated legitimately as the world number two.

Valdes did not beat Cokkell before Marciano did. Commissioner Christonberry publicly stated that there was very little to chose between Valdes and cokkell as the next challenger to Marciano. Of course after the Marciano experience Cokkell never won another fight. He fought Cokkell on the back of that. Don was no longer competitive. Probably at any level.So you are being wise after the event. Again.

nobody was given much chance against Rocky. Especially Valdes, Baker and Henry because Archie Moore was better than them.

To be honest, I think this needs to be re-evaluated. Charles was excellent at that time but severely reduced after the Marciano fights. He began to lose to Huricane Jackson and Holman Williams. Baker had been up ended by Satterfeild and Moore. What are the Baker wins that ellipse Cokkell beating Mathews and lastarza before Don fought Rocky? Layne had lost to guys Cokkell beat. Slade had beaten a 178lb Cokkell, but so what, Cokkell did not begin to get decent results until he was heavier than this. He had rebounded from that with solid wins where as Slade was able to lose to men Cokkell would beat. Jackson sucked bad. Walls blew his reputation against a fat novice during the reign of Rocky. He stank. The best two are Moore and Valdes. However, it is worth noting that nobody thought Valdes was any better than Cokkell before Don fought Rocky. chiefly because Valdes sucked in a fight against James J Parker. A Canadian Oaf already knocked out by men losing to Cokkell.

 

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you are knocking the KO percentage of one of the hardest matched respected opponents of the era. Slade fought just about everyone around back then. Floyd Patterson twice, Archie Moore, Harold Johnson, bucheroni, Tiger Lowrey, hurricane Jackson, Earl Walls, Clarence Henry, Charlie Doc Williams, Bert Lytell, Wayne Bethea, Henry Hall, James J Parker, Alonzo Johnson, Rocky Jones, Bob Baker and Karl Mildenburger. i Imagine Cleveland Williams KO percentage would nose dive significantly given this competition. Some of these guys jimmy fought twice. Most of these fights were very close. A lot of wars. He drew with Henry and took Harold Johnson to a split verdict. Don’t pretend Slade was some hapless powder puffer. He was fighting the best out there.

well in the first place, Lastarza had won five New York Golden Glove tournaments so it is not true that he was never that good. Lastarza was seen as something of a celebrated golden boy right in the beginning. The old timers loved him. Roland was tipped for big things right from the very beginning and getting off to a better start in his career than Rocky then taking Marciano to a disputed verdict certainly bares this out.

Rocky Jones was tough. And Lastarza put things right in the rematch as he did against the excellent Dan Bucceroni who he was robbed against in the first fight. Lastarza wiped the floor with Dan in the revenge rematch decking Dan multiple times in a sensational bout topping the bill in Madison Square Garden. Roland was busy during his career. Having taken Marciano to a close decision he was able to preserve his ranking then beat Rex Layne in a title eliminator right after Layne decisioned Charles. Why did Roland need to duck anyone rated below Layne, Charles and Bucceroni?

Lastarza fought Don Cokkell right after Marciano losing fair and square deservedly earning Don that rating. Don looked as good against Norkus as he had against Bucceroni and Roland fought Norkus after he lost to Don and Rocky.

during Rockys reign Baker was knocked flat on his back by Satterfeild and beaten senseless by Archie Moore. He was a big feather fisted guy never higher regarded than Don was. Bob beat Valdes back when everyone else was beating Valdes before the Cuban had much form then later in a title eliminator that absolutely stank. I can’t think what bobs signature win might of been, he never knocked out anyone any good either. Baker just hung around the ratings until Jackson beat him.

Unfortunately this is an opinion that has stuck. It is not correct. It just fits. The evidence shows there was only one other fighter ahead of Cokkell with higher credentials at that time, Archie Moore.

 

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not anymore.

He hit hard yes. He has no signature knockout wins. He should be compared to Charlie Retzlaf and Pat Comisky who hit just as hard.

you are correct Slade is not any any list of punchers. He shouldn’t be either because his career was not manufactured to appear that way like Lamar Clark and Cleveland Williams were.

maybe you need to watch Lastarza against Charlie Norkus? He does not look like a damaged fighter at all.

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if Cokkell fought Satterfeild or Moore around the time Baker did he likely could have lost too. Whether he would have been considered a softer touch against them than the powder puff puncher Bob Baker I do not know. As a heavyweight Cokkell was on a good run beating the British champion, a comeback Tommy Farr, Kid Mathews and Roland Lastarza. That’s pretty good going. That’s not Dissimilar to Baker outpointing coley Wallace, retiring old contenders like Joe Baksi And Jimmy Bivins between losing to clearance Henry and Billy Gilliam.

I don’t know why getting knocked out by guys that might also knockout Cokkell makes the one getting knocked out better than Cokkell. It seems strange logic.

not during the period in question. In our discussion about the worth of Cokkell as a challenger surly the only the form of Baker and Cokkell during the reign of Marciano is relevant? Cokkell beats a logical title challenger and was unbeaten as a heavyweight from 1952 up to the fight he has with Marciano. Where as Bob Baker is sparked by Satterfeild and beaten senseless by twenty pound lighter Archie Moore during the same period.

 

On the positive side he broke every rule there was multiple times. The only thing he didn't do was bite him. Rocky was very thorough.

 

that’s been exaggerated though.

 

The Brits are still sore about it.