1970-71 Joe Frazier vs 1919 Jack Dempsey

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Who wins and how

  1. Frazier KO

    8 vote(s)
    26.7%

  2. Frazier TKO

    9 vote(s)
    30.0%

  3. Frazier UD

    1 vote(s)
    3.3%

  4. Frazier SD

    1 vote(s)
    3.3%

  5. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  6. Dempsey KO

    6 vote(s)
    20.0%

  7. Dempsey TKO

    5 vote(s)
    16.7%

  8. Dempsey UD

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  9. Dempsey SD

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Dempsey at his absolute best vs a prime Frazier, who wins this one?
     
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  2. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Joe Frazier by a knockout.
     
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  3. The Malibu Mauler

    The Malibu Mauler Lakers in 5 Full Member

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    Dempsey in 10
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    50/50 sometimes I favor Frazier, other times Dempsey. I literally can't decide rn though.
     
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    Noel857 I Am Duran

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    This is a really interesting one after hours of thinking it over i go for a Frazier win by split decision
     
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    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Frazier beats him badly....over and over, round after round!
     
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  7. janitor

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    Dempsey is all wrong for Frazier, because he starts faster, and is a better finisher.

    This is going to go to whoever gets stuck in first.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    "Is a better finisher"
    Couldn't finish a punching bag in Willard. Couldn't stop a MW in Gibbons.
    Went 12 with Brennan.
    Took 9 KDs to stop Firpo.
     
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    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    This.
     
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  10. janitor

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    If we start comparing the fighters that they both stopped in the early rounds, it becomes very clear that Dempsey has the edge here.
     
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  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    After a couple close early rounds, Frazier beats down Jack and stops him over 7.
     
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  12. janitor

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    Frazier has a very serious stylistic problem here.

    Notable wins inside the first round:

    Dempsey - Fred Fulton, several past prime name fighters.

    Frazier - Nothing

    Notable wins inside the first two rounds:

    Dempsey - Luis Firpo

    Frazier - Bob Foster

    Notable wins inside the first three rounds:

    Dempsey - Battlink Levinsky, Billy Miske

    Frazier - Nothing

    Notable wins inside the first four rounds:

    Dempsey - Gunboat Smith, Jess Willard, Georges Carpintier

    Frazier - George Chuvalo

    Conclusion:

    Frazier had better have a plan for surviving those first four rounds!
     
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  13. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Dempsey's wide punches are gonna leave him a sitting duck for the shorter punching, accurate counters of Frazier. Dempsey can take a good shot but he is gonna be cut to ribbons.
    Frazier TKO 4
     
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    Are you kidding?

    If you were stupid enough to come straight at Dempsey, he threw nearly everything on the inside!

    In the Firpo fight, he only seems to have thrown one punch that traveled more than 18 inches!

    It is Frazier whose style is not going to mesh up well here!
     
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  15. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Take a look at the Willard fight. Tell me Dempsey's shots weren't wide. Frazier could box Dempsey if his corner chose that route.
    Don't get me wrong Jack was the best of his time against those guys, the Willard's, Firpo, Brennan. They were slow and crude.
    If took JD to the 1970s I don't think he does much better than Ron Stander. He may do worse because Stander at least had about 30lbs or so on Dempsey.
    The speedy guys that were around in Frazier's day would of had a field day with Jack.
     
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