Who was the better fighter, Jack Johnson or Joe Frazier?

How do you know antman? Are you a black man who was around during that time?

 

Willard 6'6.25"238.5lbs
Jim Johnson 5'9" 222.75lbs
Moran 6'1"203lbs
Flynn 5'10.5 " 193lbs
Kaufman 6' 1"191lbs
Ketchel 5'9" 170lbs
O Brien 5.10.5" unknown did not weigh in
Jeffries 6' 227lbs
7 defences, 4 against men heavier than himself.
Johnson fought the following decent sized heavies.
Klondike 6'
Ferguson 6'3.5"210lbs
Hart 5'11.5" 195lbs
Jeffords 6'4"
McVey 5'10.5" 207lbs
Martin 6'3.5" 203lbs
Kennedy 6'2"
Griffin 6'1"
Everett 6'05"
McCormick 6'0.25"
Cowler 6''3.5"
Lester 6'3.5"225lbs
Lawson 6'208lbs
Wright 6'1 211lbs

 

Colored Heavyweight Title is the phrase that was used at the time.

Their words, not ours.

 

Thank you for saving me the trouble of pointing this out!

 

Johnson fought for ,won, and defended the title of ,"Colored Champion".
Please don't presume to teach me history.

 

None of the above changes any of the below

Langford estimated at 20 years old, 156 pounds.

Jeannette? Sure a raw novice with no amateur experience that had a losing record in many fights with Johnson, starting out when they first meet with Jeannette's known record of 0-3

McVey. Yeah, he was a teenager, and the fights stunk according to the press.

Childs. Small. Other super middles did MUCH better vs. Johnson. If you best win is

Martin? A weak chin and body. Solid fighter of the times, probably Johnson's 2nd best win. Ko'd 8 times, often inside of six rounds.

Burns? 5'7" 1/2 168 pounds. Another super middle. By the way you know there were reports of Burns not being 100 with a Jaundice, quoted by Kevin Smith historian of early black prizefighters and written in a Book on Burns. Now shoot down the sores at all costs!!!

Moran. Not ever a top white hope. He went the distance and won several rounds with Johnson fouling and knowing he wasn't getting paid!

Gardner? Hardly a boastful win.

Fitz? Very Old and Injured. Really?

Jeffries, had not fought in 6 years, and old.

Quite a resumes. Best win is likely Burns!

Men like Hart, Choynski, and Griffin...people who beat Johnson would get creamed by Frazier.

Now in your opinion what are Johnson's three best wins? Then we can compare them to Frazier's. This out to be a hoot!

 

I would respond if I could decipher this!

Still refusing to take up my challenge? Mendoza the Eunuch!lol

 

The board knows you a liar. A person who starts race baiting type of threads. A person who has multiple board ID's. And a person who has been banned at least twice. There is no upside banishing you, you'll just some back under another name.

Once again Adam Pollack says the purse between Johnson and Johnson is unknown. You said you know it. Sure you do. Liar liar.

PS: In your opinion what are Johnson's three best wins? Then we can compare them to Frazier's. This out to be a hoot! Duck, duck, duck...

 

Never made a race baiting thread in my life.My Avatar with Jimmy Glenn was all the proof I need as to my attitude towards racial discrimination and my documented support of Nelson Mandela emphatically reinforces that !

Mendoza the Eunuch The Man who bailed out of a permanent ban bet.
If I'm a liar ,why won't you take the bet and expose me as a liar ,and Ill be banned into the bargain?
What more could you ask for? I've even given you the book ,the chapter ,and the page to find the answer on!
What could be simpler? What could be easier?
All you have to do is accept it and it's .GAME ON .
AND YOU'RE GONE!

Nighty Night Eunuch!LOL!!!!

 

You such a loser. What time is it in the UK? Do you have some type of bell alarm that goes off when I clean your clock?

Yes, you did start a racist thread. Live with it. Yes, you donated to a group that has human rights issues. You brought this up, not I.

You welched on a bet for me before. I can't ban you forever or block your IP address. Nor can I prevent you from using a different server to use re-register under a different poster name.

I already told you Pollack said the purse is unknown. Now your going to trust Ward? Okay, do you trust Ward's description of Johnson quitting to use his words like a dog vs Klondike? Answer me. Or duck the question yet again. Can't you see how easy you are to counterpunch? You're such a joke. No wonder so many posters here use you as their piñata.

 

Ketchel weighed in at 170? I'm calling BS. Show the source that lists it in detail.

Also Flynn wasn't that heavy

It's hilarious how you determine who is big and who isn't. You quick to point out so and so wasn't a heavyweight, yet you list plenty of guys under 200 pounds that you determine were " decent sized. "

You might want to check on Bill Hartwell weight. Johnson quit in that one, along with two other matches but hey he could have been over 200 pounds as the mediocre Hartwell was 6'3" tall! Check on Brad Simmons too. He was 6 feet tall. Its another fight Johnson quit in, but there is a chance he was heavier than some of the guy you listed.

 

Yes the ANC, under Nelson Mandela had" human rights issues" they held the view that," all men are created equal in the sight of God ,that they should be treated equally , and that a man should be judged by the colour of his deeds not the colour of his skin".

Sound familiar to you?
Your bet with me was whether the Ruhlin v Fitzsimmons fight was filmed I said it wasn't, you said it was.
We all know it wasn't and that a re-enactment was filmed some days later,with the same fighters but different cornermen and that Ruhlin was wearing stage make up to disguise his injuries from the real fight.This is described in some depth in Gilbert Odd's biography on Fitzsimmons The Fighting Blacksmith.
I don't know how a man would have the shameless gall to pretend that a re-enactment counts as the real fight and therefore he does not have to honour his bet.
I suppose if you have no honour and certainly you don't ,and no shame
either and you prove that every time you mention this subject ,you cannot be embarrassed or shamed.
Personally I find it disgusting that a so called man could lower himself to such depths. Sleep Tight Eunuch!

 

Box Rec
1912-07-04 Johnson 212 Fireman Jim Flynn 193
East Las Vegas
W
DQ 9/45

1909-10-16 Johnson 205½ Stanley Ketchel 170¼
Mission Street Arena, Colma
W
KO 12/20
Show us evidence to the contrary!

 

I'm not doubting Flynn's weight, its just 193 is not that heavy and Flynn had some fat on him.

WRONG! Show me a source that said Ketchel wedged in at 170 pounds for Johnson. He's reported lighter in other sources.

I have asked for this before? Is this the 5th duck by you?

Also stop lying, I never said anything decretory about Mandela himself, just org you donate to has human rights issues and that's a fact. You might as well chant your Free Mason devil worship and show the rest of the board who you really are.