Rocky Marciano vs Joe Frazier

Well he was off balance the rest of the round as Jersey Joe wore him out.

 

People who saw them and fought him? Footage of his devastating knockouts? His high knockout percentage, retiring fighters, and damaging his opponents? They don't know anything bro, the guy who frequently knocked teeth out? Featherfist.

 

Lol @some of the people in this thread

 

You are absolutely correct.

 

Just watched the frazier Stander fight for some clues. Obviously stander isn't 10% the fighter marciano was but he's 5'11 and a tough hefty guy with a good chin who likes to swarm up close. Body type and style wise they are a little similar.

One thing I noticed:

-the idea Frazier didn't have a jab is fake news. He used the jab quite a bit in this fight, flicking it out not just to measure the distance but to set up brutal combinations.

-likewise, the idea Frazier didn't have a right hand is fake news. He used a powerful right hook to the body and a jolting right uppercut that sent Stander's head up and back like he got shot.

-interestingly i even saw a nice LEFT uppercut from Frazier. He was a complete package on the inside. Low, mid, high, left or right or down the middle, Frazier could land accurately and brutally with either hand up close. He didn't simply mindlessly pound away, he was thinking and looking for openings at all times. His accuracy and methodical approach are criminally underrated.

-Frazier had faster feet than he gets credit for. Granted his opponent is ron stander but he had a nice in and out and even lateral movement in short spurts. Reminded me of pacquiao's little shuffle in and out style.

-Frazier had tremendous stamina (obviously) but a big misconception about the whole "slow starter" thing is that he is simply there to get hit and easy to outbox or outhustle in the early rounds. First of all, Frazier has several early round stoppages. Second, there's a difference between being a slow starter and pacing yourself. The reason Frazier is able to come on strong in the late rohnds is because he isnt so tense and put everything into his shots early. Even though he knew the stoppage would be coming any minute now, he didn't blow his load becoming overly anxious in the 3rd round against Stander when he had him stumbling. Frazier patiently stuck to the game plan and, more importantly, remained defensively responsible (kept his hands up while bobbing and weaving the punches from a desperate Stander).

I don't know who wins this matchup but what i do know is that whatever conclusion you reach, marciano wouldnt win because of frazier's so called lack of a right hand, punch versatility, or Frazier being a so called slow starter sitting duck. And at 205-217 lbs Frazier is not going to be an easy man to beat in a phone booth type war for any fighter, let alone one whose giving up around 20 lbs like rocky. Frazier has a distinct advantage in defense and technique and that is going to matter more than people think in a long drawn out battle (a ko or stoppage is almost inconceivable before the 6th given how tough and well conditioned both men are at their best).

It's also very hard to envision someone outpointing Frazier over 15--even a guy as relentless as marciano. I think marciano would need to get a stoppage or ko.

 

Imagine that is exactly what sportswriters in the 40's and 50's were calling Walcott. In previous threads, I have referenced extensively articles in which he was labeled as such. That was the perception in his day. That was the reality.

 

He was right about the standing 8 count being used, despite the fact that it was waived and imo that Marciano was hurt.

You so realize fighters make excuses for themselves all the time right?

I don't know what your point is here.

Until his dying day, Frazier maintained he could've continued in Manila. Are we going to take his word off that? News flash; A fighter saying he's not hurt doesn't mean ****. That's why we have referees in the ring. Also I think it's rather disingenuous to say Marciano was past prime while saying an elderly Walcott who was at best 38 and very possibly in his 40s was in his prime.

You also believe Marciano would've beaten Tyson (someone who did virtually everything better than Marciano) . You're not exactly Mr. Credibility.

https://imgur.com/uyH4KsM.jpg Weak my ****ing arse

That would explain his numerous KO losses.

 

Walcott was likely in his 40s at this point in time and it was his 2nd last fight. He was older than Louis. He was also deemed to be a washed up journeyman at this point by reporters and sportsmen alike. To say he was in his prime is simply ridiculous and outright dishonest. As for he rest of your post, I believe addressed your concerns above.

 

LOL

 

You didn't even comprehend my points, that's evident from the Norton comment. I said he was weak for his build, then commented on his chicken legs. You posted a picture of his impressive build, highlighting his chicken legs no less. Then took what I said out of context, I never called him weak, I said weak for his build.

There is no proof that Walcott was in his 40s. Stop arguing off of hypotheticals and your own head canon. There is however a championship belt he was holding to to prove he was still of top condition.

Tyson didn't do many things better than Marciano. This is common sense.

I'm not going to bother to argue this anymore, reply if you want or don't, I couldn't care less. Good day

 

Numerous oppenents of his including Ali, and Holmes commented on his strength. Not to mention, he was a natural 230 pounder training down to 206 (thereabout)

You are correct in that their is no proof he was in his 40s which is why I said possibly as numerous people have his age ranging from 38 to 41.

having a belt does not mean you are in top condition at all. What a silly comment. As a matter of fact, their is a thread on this forum regarding shot fighters who held a title.

Yeah. You're right. Just power, speed, skill, accuracy, chin (debatable), size, strength, adaptability. Oh wait Marciano's one advantage (heart) means he will "find a way" as he always does on ESB.

Fine with me. I was rather appaled and disgusted at your need to resort to insults in an otherwise civil discussion. I have lost all respect I previously had for you and don't look forward to engaging you in the future.

 

I don't agree that Marciano had good hand speed and don't think you'll find many that do. I agree with the rest of your post however.

 

Excluding the conclusion, this might be the best fadeel post I´ve read so far on BF24. Precisely.

 

Abe Simon said he hit harder than Louis!

 

• "Marciano was a slight betting favorite.

• A left hook from Walcott floored Marciano early in the first round. It was the first time in his 43-fight professional career that Marciano had been knocked down. He got up at the count of four."