Right because rocky had comparable slick footwork and head movement like fury to make wilder miss and look bad for several rounds.
Since his comeback, other than Wilder, Fury has fought poor opposition, and mostly failed to look impressive against them, often having defensive lapses, and not being nearly as hard to hit as he was.
I respect your ability to read a fight, and all round general knowledge of the technical aspects of the sport, but please explain how a heavyweight who threw 100 punches in the 15th round, doesn't have good stamina, and fights at snails pace. C'mon, don't play coy, we both know that you know full well what fighting with his head off the centre line means. It might be quite an insignificant aspect of his success, but you know exactly what it means. Have you seen his KOs? He has one punch KO power. And he threw a lot of punches. That is the very definition of a volume puncher, with one punch KO power. He was off balance for both, and hit by counters that were so well placed Wilder couldn't dream of throwing... He has 2 wins in the top 10 in Ortiz 1&2. Ortiz is literally made for him stylistically, is an old man, hurt him badly and won almost every round. He should've lost to Fury. No 2 ways around it. His "title" fights have been for a quarter of the HW title. It's pathetic to compare his reign to Marciano's. He stopped all of them... They may not have been one punch KOed (I mean Walcott was brutally but...) but he clearly showed he had very good power in these fights. Wilder isn't a foot taller... Even as a generalisation this is poor. He's 8 inches taller, that's closer to half a foot. Joe Rogan? Is that your source? Lol he doesn't know shite all about boxing. There are numerous error in this ridiculous comparison. #1, Tommy Hearns was a boxer-puncher. Wilder is a slugger. #2, Tommy Hearns had an educated left, he had an ATG jab, which he'd use in multiple ways, had a wicked left hook to the body. #3, Wilder is much more susceptible to being outboxed. #4, Hearns' feet were angled and pressuring, textbook set up for his cross. Wilder's are sloppy, crude and all over the place. #5, Wilder fights at seriously low pace. Tommy threw high output bursts in spurts, with a steady jab in-between them thrown in for hood measure. Now, there are some decent points of the comparison. #1, both P4P ATG straight rights. #2, both tall and lanky #3, both use their lefts to pull apart the opponent's guard. Pretty poor comparison, all in all, imo. I agree with this, but to compare him to Hearns aside from the aspects I mentioned above is ridiculous. Do they? Wilder has never pressured by a world class opponent. Never took it to the body and has fought no-hopers for 90% of his career. When/if Wilder fights guys who'll walk him down (Rivas, AJ, Ruiz ect) then you may have a made an excellent point, but Wilder has yet to prove anything of this. The guys 34 with 10 title defences and we're still speculating how he deals with a top contender... The guys a physical phenom, and a polarising character, but he's no mastermind and has some of the poorest skills a HW champion has ever had. Like my dad once said: "It's very easy to beat Wilder. But it's harder to not lose to him." Wilder's entire career is built on awkwardness, heart and the ability to get a KO. That is what we call "intangibles"... Back to Marciano, @The Undefeated Lachbuster is by far the most sensible of his huge supporters, he covers most of the stuff I was gonna. Marciano's chin ain't Chuvalo-esc, or Ike's, Mercer's, McCall's ect ect, but it's good, why people look into two flash KDs from crafty operators is beyond me. He isn't a top 10 HW puncher imo, but to claim he didn't have 1 punch KO power is ridiculous. I class him as a volume puncher, with high power. Is that beyond the realms of possibility? Any nay-say about his stamina is quite simply bull****.
You can always tell when somebody is so utterly defeated and there are no more logical points to make when the childish insults start coming. I would happily offer a logical break down on how I think any fight with Marciano could go down...and use compelling, knowledgeable examples to back up my opinion.....but this thread smells so bad of the absolute hatred and ignorance that I can tell nobody wants to hear it...even though they presumably are asking for it by specifically calling me out! Why ask if you don’t want to know? Can it be that you already know you cannot disagree? And merely want to insult anyone who can possibly disagree with your view? The narrative from anyone provoking any defence of Marciano (because this is what it is, provocation) is always: “ I disagree with any defence of Marciano, therefore you are dishonest, disingenuous and mad.”
I don't care if fury's last 6 opponents were drunks in an alley. The point is his style is completely different from rocky's so to imply Wilder would get outboxed for several rounds using that fight as the basis of your argument is hilariously dishonest and reaching.
The key question here, is whether your ability to judge how good fighters were from film, is a reliable measure. If you judge only undefeated lineal champion in the history of the sport, not to have been particularly good, then you probably aren't a very accurate judge of how good fighters are!
I would recommend you sue you brain for non support, guaranteed pay out. Fact. So Marciano simply walks in working the body ? LOL, do you realize that he has to go thru 7 feet of kill zone against a guy who has average foot work but excellent foot speed? Do you know that Wilder has great distance control ? Did you even watch fils of your hero where he eats shot after shot against cans ? So he 'just" takes it ?LOL, So you just take the hits from the hardest puncher the division has seen ? Hint , this aint Nintendo.... How come none on his record have just walked "in" and worked him over ? So 235-275 pound 6'4 to 6'9 guys cannot do it but 185 pound 5'9 Marciano does it ? Marciano is not even close to 5'10 or 5'11......chicks in flat shoes standing right next to him were as tall as he was. But but but 6'4 Southpaws , the Pole and the Cuban, both who actually can box, out boxed him, but guess what, they are still seeing stars.......6'6 Breazale just walked in , guess what happened to him ? Every SINGLE one of Wilders opponents have been ko'ed or hit the canvas, two guys went the distance, both hit the deck in the process.....the rest , laid out . Wilder sparked a top 5-10 and a top 15 , 6'4/6/7, 235/265 pounds with O N E picture perfect shot......not washed up skinny AARP recipients who were dead tired with no legs left and finally succumbed in the 11th hour....... So , Sonny, get your mits ready and lace 'em up, the easiest way for you to win a belt is just beat that bum Wilder, instant glory. Hit it.
Maybe you're right? Maybe the way RM did things was right and everybody who bothered to learn correct fundamentals was wrong? Maybe it's a conspiracy within boxing to try to keep boxers from learning the unbeatable system used by RM? Maybe it's better to be off balance, to move left by moving the right foot first, to fall down after missing a punch? Maybe RM was ahead of the game and only you and a few other message board posters can see it? I'm going to stick to my original belief that RM was undefeated because his opposition was worse than him. Let me tell you another secret about what I think about boxing. HOF, ATG, Top Ten, The Ring ratings, the WBC,WBA,IBF, etc. ratings all mean absolutely nothing when picking a winner in a head to head match. I bet you had to have a seat after reading that!
I have never viewed Rocky Marciano as a MASTER of the sweet science. But I think that some of the assertions on this thread over the past few days have misrepresented his abilities.. contrary to what people have pointed out, Marciano slipped the jab quite well. He was good at working the body. He could cut off the ring. His hand speed wasn’t that of Joe Frazier’s but he still had quick hands. He could hurt a man with both hands.. his foot work wasn’t pretty but I disagree with these comments about him being “ off balance. “
Plus, IMO, Marciano may hit hard for a Light Heavy or even Cruiser but he is not even in the same zipcode as a Foreman/Tyson/Lewis/Wilder...the proof is in the pudding, he was a attrition puncher who over powered his either poor or stone old opponents, he threw shot after shot after shot and none of them fell like a tree in the opening.....the Mummy Louis would be lucky to see the 2nd round against Foreman/Tyson, would be on life support against Wilder after maybe 4 and even Tommy Chin would get rid of him without ascare......the definition of shot beyond shot.......same with Walcott......how come the both never fought again......because they were scrap m etal that time of their career. We are in agreement, Marcinao looks poor on film, no ifs or buts, the right guy at the right time, retired young and his signature wins are life and death b attles with Pensioners. How come since the 50's no 5'9 185 pound Italian show worker has laced them up to become Heavyweight champ ? How come the Ray Arcels/Demato/Duvas could never find that marvel ?
Defeated? I haven't even offered my opinion on this match up! I've merely disputed the laughable claim that you are an expert as your are one of the most dishonest posters on the board and will post whatever favors your argument even when you know it spits in the face of historical accuracy. When called out on this, you put on an innocent front (which fools nobody by the way) insist that you've done nothing and refuse to admit your mistakes. That is why I have absolutely no respect for you.
Look man, it means that you're always on the wrong end of a merciless beating. You stroll through punishment and keep fighting forward, in a very Marciano-esc way and fight back forever. The only sad part of this analogy, is that you don't win via devastating KO after a long drawn out beatdown. McVey is always more conditioned
I did this same thread years ago, I think after Wilder damn near killed Liakhovich. Shouldn't I get some sort of pioneer award?
