Vitali Klitschko's wasted talent

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The point which seems to have escaped you is all those I named were top ten ranked .those he fought for the most part were not.
     
  2. The Slaps

    The Slaps Win or lose, as long as you get the decision Full Member

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    This is my first post so be kind please . I must say I'm a big fan of Vitali,l. At the time when him and his brother dominated I was with many giving out about the seven foot long jabs boring heavy division. (I actually loved early wlad when he was always looking for the KO until Brewster and Sanders sparked him out and gave him the fear). But when I look back Vitali was the best heavyweight we had since the golden 90's and I wish I appreciated him more at the time. He was fast, awkward, technically sound, unreal conditioning except for injuries and just kept on punching like a machine and unlike his brother he had a chin of concrete. I feel a lot of fighters avoided Vitali and chased Wlad was mainly because they reckoned they could take Wlad, one solid could end it. Fight Vitali your going to war and he lacked the real power to finish you early especially after his first injury so it was going to be a long suffering night. His only two losses are due to injury and cuts (although he should of road out the end vs Byrd, he could of coasted till the end with his reach advantage and see what happens). Lewis was lucky imo Vitali had taken his best shots and was walking him down, Lewis was fading, still one of the biggest argued fights of all time ).
    Pity he never fought Wlad, but I think Vitali would of beatin him all day every day, they would know each other inside out and Wlad had that paper mache chin, maybe not 10 out of 10, Wlad could possibly hold it to a points win once or twice.
    Side note his wbo title win was a paperweight not a real world championship at that time. you got to beat the champ or beat someone the champ was afraid of. We don't have to keep recognising all the ABC champions just the legitimate ones.
     
  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was referring to the reigns covering the period for which the OP has outlined Vitali's title defenses, i.e. from 2004 onwards; when, for a brief period, he was the Divisional Ring Champion (and from 2008 to 2012, the No. 1 Ring Rated Contender, behind his brother as Champion). This is made even clearer when, in a subsequent post, I state: "I must admit that I hadn't considered Vitali's ledger, as far back as his spell as WBO titlist".

    So - not "false"; just a matter of misinterpretation, on your part.

    I hope this clears things up.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    See correction to this in my later post.
     
  5. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have explained what period I was referring to, which was the scope of the subject, as laid out in the OP. Does that compute?

    If you want to refer to Vitali's 10 months as WBO Titlist, as a "reign", then be my guest. I really don't care - I've told you what was being covered in my post. That's the end of it.
     
  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Have you even read the original post of this thread?
     
  7. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Then you'll know it covers Vitali's WBC defenses from 2004 to 2012 inclusive then.
     
  8. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you demented?

    What does Vitali's WBO "reign" have to do with this thread or my first post in this thread?

    If, as you put it, in your initial response to my first post, "About everything wrote is false", could you perhaps elaborate on what else you considered to be false about the post in question, rather than obsessing over an off-topic insignificance?


    As for "escape", it really is that easy. I just close my browser.
     
  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Apologies - my Cryptanalysis Machine is currently out of service and so I have no idea what you're writing about.

    Shame. It's been fun.

    Good evening.
     
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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I didnt say they were all ranked during his reigns I said they were all ranked in his era ,and he didn't fight them.
    But since you ask;Ring Ratings
    Oquendo was no7 in2004
    99-2000 Holyfield was no2 Tua, no5 Tyson no6
    2008.Ibragimov was no6,Maskaev no8,Chagaev no3,Dimitrenko no10.
    2009 . Chagaev no4, Boytzov no7, Dimitrenko no9.
    2010.Chagaev no5 Povetkin no3
    2011 .Povetkin no2,Dimitrenko no5,Helenius no6 Chagaev no8,Pulev no 10.
    2012.Povetkin no2,Pulev no4,Helenius no6,Boytzov no7,Chagaev no7.

    NB Byrd was not ranked at the end of 99 he got his ranking,[no10]
    AFTER he beat Vitali

    Bean was not ranked,Donald was not ranked.
     
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  11. JohnThomas1

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    Welcome to the forum as a poster mate.
     
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  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes me too!
     
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  13. THE BLADE 2

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    Well no. Vitali would have real challenges in Wilder, Fury, Joshua and Ruiz (if he is in shape).
     
  14. The Slaps

    The Slaps Win or lose, as long as you get the decision Full Member

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    Sorry McGrain I went off topic on my first post :)
    When you look at his defence resume in black & white it does look pretty poor in quality, but in his defence there wasn't a whole lot of great boxers around in his era either. He was a portion champ and it was up to the big boys to come knocking on his door, I know Valuev ducked him, Byrd and Povetkin at different ends of his reign weren't interested. Wlad was never going to fight him. Holyfield, Tyson, Golota etc were way past their primes. Fury was only on the way up. Not sure if Chagaev or Maskaev ever chased him. Maskaev was sparked out by Peter and Vitali dispatched of him. He was scheduled to fight a past his best but still game Rahman, but went out injured.
    On Danny Williams his first defence, he was just a hype job after beating a very poor Tyson, he wasn't deserved of a title shot. No offence meant but if he wasn't British or American he wouldn't of gotten a title shot off his Tyson win. They werent lining up McBride when he got the win over Tyson.
    Who he should of fought: If I remember right Byrd was apparently avoiding him, but I don't believe that, no way Byrd avoided anybody he was as game as a fighting bantam. And Vitali had no reason to avoid Byrd, boxing politics was more than likely the issue, if at this time that fight was even on the cards. Vitali was still chasing a rematch with Lewis in hope he'd come out of retirement, Williams was more than likely just to pass the time, he then had Rahman lined up and the rest is history. Apart from Byrd who was joint number 1 with Vitali at that time, who else did you have John Ruiz? I never rated him that high of a contender. Toney was passing through, the others were too old. Maybe Golota was still able, but what Golota would show up. Chagaev and Valuev weren't quite at that level yet. Big O like Wlad were losing fights.

    Thanks for the welcome Mcvey and JohnThomas

    How do you copy and paste to quote from a phone?
     
  15. blackfella96

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    He could've got a few more names on his resume in the late 90's, maybe if he didn't start of kickboxing and went straight into pro boxing around 21-22, he'd have some opportunity to fight some of the best of the 90's.