33+ year old fighters in the lower weight classes and Loma's time left

Loma is much smaller then Floyd talking about moving back down.

Loma started his professional career what 6 years ago?

Meaning he was 26 (full grown tiny man) starting 4 lbs south of Floyd who was 19 when he turned pro (little boy body) meaning hadn’t even grown into his full grown Man body yet.

the smaller the dude the lower mileage dude Can get As a fighter.

4lbs doesn’t sound like a lot but not if a 19 year old out weighs a 26 year old by 4 lbs by the time that 19 year old get to be 26 he could out weigh the dude by 20lbs of solid muscle easily.

 

this & those fighters all turned pro extremely young thus the wider range of weight.

loma was 26 & fully grown when he turned pro.

 

Salido, a former champion and a well respected old warrior, won a highly controversial split decision; a nobody pushed Berchelt's sh*t in 20+ fights into Miggy's career.

For the rematch, Salido was offered nearly three times ($720k to 250K) the amount of money he received for the first fight. He didn't take the fight because he-- and, deep down, you-- know Lomachenko would have mopped the floor with him and his "Mexican style."

Lomachenko didn't give Russell anything. That fight went to a purse bid, Russell's team won the bid, but because the fight was staged in the United States, Loma received 60%.

Again, your whole argument that Lomachenko ducked Berchelt boils down to, "But Miggy called him out, doe!!" Honestly, man, that is some serious weak sauce and we both know it. Lomachenko had bigger fish to fry at 130lbs, namely Tank Davis, and when the opportunity to take on the consensus #1 lightweight at the time (Jorge Linares) and snag another belt presented itself, Loma's team--like anybody else in their situation--took it. Quit acting as if the public was clamoring for a Berchelt-Loma match and Loma ducked out.

Personally, I think Loma will move back down to 130lbs and kick Berchelt's ass, ASSUMING Berchelt actually takes the fight. Why? Because he's simply a better all-around fighter. He's faster, a better and more complete boxer, considerably more difficult to hit clean, and packs more than enough power to get Berchelt's attention at 130lbs.

Your argument, on the other hand, can be summed up as: "Miggy's a pressure fighter.....and Mexican!!"

 

Orlando Salido is a former champion who was totally outclassed by Juan Manuel Marquez during his absolute prime, and was beaten like a sack of potatoes by Mikey Garcia a year before Salido gave Lomachenko a welcoming to the Pros at World level. I get it, Lomachenko probably spent his entire life not fighting the rugged Mexican style, so it was new to him.

Lomachenko did start seeing success at the end of the fight when old man Orlando started getting tired, it was probably up past the geezer's bed time.

Lomachenko never fought Tank.

Bottom line is that there were two fights that were MOST interesting for Lomachenko.

1. Miguel Berchelt which would indirectly redeem him from the loss at the hands of Old Man Siri, proving the loss was a fluke, and that Mexican style wasn't an issue for him.

2. Mikey Garcia which would be a win against a P4P fighter who he himself was a master boxer.

He failed to make both fights. I fully put the blame on him for the Berchelt fight, but I put the blame on both Mikey and Loma for that one.

 

Salido was 36 years old when he beat Lomachenko so not too sure here...

 

If by "welcome to the pros" you mean fighting an opponent who deliberately came in overweight and repeatedly resorted to low blows to gain an even greater tactical edge, then yes -- Salido welcomed him to the pros.

Lomachenko elected to reduce his output in the early rounds of that fight in an obvious attempt to conserve energy for the later rounds. Recall he had never fought more than 4-6 rounders prior to the Salido bout. Is that Salido's fault? Certainly not. But let's not act as if the cagey Mexican was having his way with Lomachenko.

Bottom Line:

1) Salido turned down three times as much money as he received for the first fight because he had no intention of ever re-matching Lomachenko. If he had, you and I both know that Loma would have stuffed that "Mexican style" up his arse.

2) You put the onus on Loma for not making a Berchelt fight--as if there were any serious overtures made--solely because Miggy "called him out, doe!" Weak sauce, man.

3) Mikey Garcia moved up in weight for a big pay day and to chase greatness. I certainly don't fault him for that. Nevertheless what exactly do you want Loma to do about it? Follow him up to 147 (when he's clearly undersized for 135)??

In sum, I predict Loma will beat Berchelt convincingly for all the reasons I previously outlined. Your argument in favor of Berchelt essentially boils down to he's Mexican.

 

Salido kicked the **** outta Mikey. Forced him to claim an injury.

 

Loma would toy with Berchelt.

 

Iv

 

I find it funny to see there are still people who still thinking Loma avoided Berchelt.

Just look at the people Loma fought in the last 3 years. Mostly high-profile fights in title match and unification fights. The man Loma was about to fight, Lopez, is much bigger, quicker, younger and possibly more powerful than Berchelt. Are you seriously think Loma is afraid of him ?

Whom did Berchelt fight anyway ? None of the people he fought were reigning beltholder. And in his three years as 130 lbs WBC champion, he never seriously pursued for fight with other champions in the division. Not even the WBO when all the champions there, from Ito to Herring, have been with Top Ranks. Even funnier, one must think that Berchelt with all the strength he got will overpower Loma, but forgetting the fact that he was unable to stop Miura and kept getting hit in process. If he was getting hit by a limited fighter like Miura, how is he going to catch a slick, crafty and highly skilled boxer like Loma with his slow-ass speed.

 

If he does things right, he only really needs 3-4 more fights to completely fulfil his legacy as an ATG.

Beat Lopez, try to get Davis, beat him.

Move back down to 130, and fight the winner of the Frampton-Herring, Valdez-Berchelt tourney.

Fight Stevenson coming up from 126 after beating Warrington.

Assuming he won all those fights, you could pretty much put a fork in it and call it a career.

 

Excellent post.

Folks who claim Loma ducked Berchelt are engaging in agenda driven posturing. I think you're evaluation of Berchelt's recent choice of opponents is instructive as well. Not only has he not pushed for fights against some of the other belt holders, he has opted for rock-em, sock-em types who scarcely resemble anything Lomachenko brings to the table.

Lopez, in my opinion, is a much bigger challenge to Loma than Berchelt for all the reasons you so astutely outlined.

 

I doubt fights with either Haney or Davis will ever materialize, but of the two I would put my money on Haney.

If either of those negotiations become protracted, I suspect Lomachenko will return to 130lbs and seek out the winner of Valdez-Berchelt.

 

I dont think the Haney fight ever happens.

I wouldn't be shocked if Haney never fights at 135 again