Fights where a fighter was unable to avenge a controversial loss/draw in the rematch

Beat me to the punch mate. That one and Fenech vs Nelson were the first two that popped into my head.

Cheers All.

 

Except for New York's particular rules at the time, it would have been a draw. Two judges had it a round different for each fighter. Judge Jack Watson had it 5 rounds a piece but was allowed to score by some arcane points system(and mind you that Rocky had a KD and a deduction, equalling out) that gave Rocky the victory by this judge 9-6 points awarded extremely arbitrarily. This was not 10 point or 5 point must system. This was total BS.

UP Fight Report...
"Lastarza had such an edge in the infighting that most of the boxing writers scored in favor of the New Yorker. And he staggered Rocky with a a straight right to the chin in the sixth."

 

Terry Norris lost by DQ (rabbit punches) and lost his WBC title to Luis Santana. In the rematch, Terry Norris couldn't keep his emotions in check and was disqualified AGAIN for hitting Santana while he was down (Santana displayed great overacting skills in both DQ wins btw as he really exaggerated the effect of the late punches in both fights). Finally, in the third fight (second rematch), Terry kept his cool and efficiently blew away Santana in 2 rounds. Norris wasted a year of his prime dealing with this turkey and Santana secured three big paydays with his acting skills. What a waste of time for boxing. I bet Norris wish he never fought this fool.

 

Another clipping from Marciano - Lastarza -

The Associated Press reported: "Rocky, a short-armed, slope-shouldered battler won the fight with a sensational punching display in the fourth round when he floored LaStarza. A low blow In the eighth round cost the free swinging Rocky a clear-cut triumph. He belted handsome Rollie all over the lot in the frame and hurt him with another one of his vicious rights to the jaw."

 

To be fair Norris was a goose and couldn't control his emotions in the ring. He had a chronic bad habit of hitting opponents when they were down and was lucky he wasn't DQ'd on more occasions.

 

He was disqualified early in his career for hitting someone while they were down. He could get hot in fights and lose control of his emotions and get in trouble. Funny enough, in his title unification match with Paul Vaden (who slept with Norris' fiance!) he kept his cool and boxed to a dominant 12 round decision. High strung and fiery but near unbeatable when he boxed with discipline. He busted up Julian Jackson in the first round and then stupidly went for an early kill and was nearly decapitated when Jackson caught him against the ropes. I would've loved to have seen a rematch but Norris was chinny and Jackson may have caught him again at some point. The two fights with Simon Brown was like watching two different Terry Norris' as he got caught in the first fight and cooly outboxed him in the rematch. If he had some more discipline in his prime he would've been much more highly regarded today.

 

Allow me to condense that pile of bitter excrement. If LaStarza was as good as you're trying to make him out, close decision or not, after losing the first fight he should have undoubtedly come back stronger and won the second. Sadly Marciano rendered him into gelatin, after sending his a-ss through the ropes. And in light of your comment on the other thread, LaStarza was one of Marciano's most vocal critics and he got his s-hit pushed in.

 

Quality Fail in reading comprehension.

My argument is not that Lastarza was exceptionally good just that the first fight was close or with controversy. I hope that is spelled out clearly enough now.

 

Oh I know that, it's just bizarre and quite pathetic how biased you are against Marciano. It's as if he personally insulted you. I mean I know you're old, but you're not that old.

 

As I have written on this board dozens of times over the past 15 years, I hold Marciano in very high regard given the context of his ability. A great fighter, pound for pound entrant even. But let's be real.

 

I've followed this site for years and read dozens of Marciano threads, to which your name has shown up a lot in and it's always something negative or marginal. That's not "being real" that's simple dislike.

 

Great post and absolutely spot on Mike. Norris was absolutely sensational when he kept his head but he had the tendency to lose his cool which saw a near him have a near miss with Troy Waters and the disaster in Brown 1. The Jackson loss is excusable though as Jackson was a threat to anyone with that kind of power.

I remember Norris after he dropped Leonard literally ran across the ring and hit him when he was down (similar to his early DQ loss) and he did it again to another fighter (whose name escapes me) which both could easily have been called as DQ's if they chose to milk it.

It was senseless by Norris considering his dominance at his best .

 

Some are not satisfied until Marciano is practically deified and given title of Greatest Human Ever to Bestride God's Terra Firma.

Merely rating him as a great fighterin his time is not enough.

 

Arguello vs. Pryor...first fight controversial because of the "special bottle" but Pryor didn't need it to win the rematch.

 

The strangest example I can think of was Tomorrow's Champion Alex Ramos getting knocked out by spoiler Ted Sanders unexpectedly in a fight where they thought so little of Sanders that they didn't not only televise it, they not only didn't tape it, but didn't even take pics of it. The rematch was scheduled for NBC Sportsworld and Sanders bailed the day of the fight for reasons unknown to now and Ramos never got his expected rematch win. Sanders was so inspired that he only had one more recorded fight and disappeared into thin air.