The curious case of Jersey Joe Walcott and his prime.

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    1937 Tiger Jack Fox. Walcott KOed for a 10 count by a right to the jaw, can't find much on how the fight was going.
    George Brothers. Brothers, a former Golden Glove champion was dropped for two 9 counts in the first, but came on strong late to take the decision
    1938 Tiger Jack Fox. Walcott dropped Fox in the second, but Fox clearly outpointed him, being too tough and experience, Walcott unable to hurt him other than the knock down. The Evening Courier also called Fox the No. 1 Heavyweight challenger.
    Roy Lazer described as being too cute for Walcott, bobbing and ducking, winning 4 rounds to 3 with 1 even.
    Abe Simon, Walcott was said to have been giving Simon a boxing lesson, before a big right hit home and scored the KO, Walcott hardly moving as he was counted out
     
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  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Exactly.

    Walcott's theoretical prime never actually happened.
     
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  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    For what it's worth Louis and his people denied that vehemently, and there were newspaper accounts at the time that described Louis beating up on Walcott in sparring (I vaguely recall seeing a picture in some old paper too).
     
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  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It doesn't take an exceptional fighter, to put a great champion on the seat of their pants in sparring.
     
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  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    A classic example of physical prime and professional prime coming at two separate times based on support, the ability to be dedicated and focused and funding ..
     
  6. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    very true perspective - the differences you stated are vast
     
  7. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It was actually Walcott who was dropped, not Louis. There are photos of it. Walcott wasnt let go because he was giving Louis a hard time. His manager pulled him out with a lame excuse likely because Walcott was getting a hammering and only later their story morphed into him dropping Louis. He was only in camp for a day or two.
     
  8. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This isnt true. That was a story invented by Walcotts manager at the time. In fact it was Walcott who was dropped and his manager pulled him out of camp. There are photos of him being dropped by Louis. He was only there for a day or two. They later changed their story to say that they had been let go because he was giving Louis too rough a time but that wasnt true.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    The proposition that Walcott just wasn't that good seems to best answer the irregularities and actualities of his career.

    Even after the Great Depression relieved its singular and exclusive burden from his shoulders, he still only won twice as often as he lost.

    Stop watching highligjts of his excessive and superfluous footwork and read reports of his actual full fights. He has some significant holes in his game.
     
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  10. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It is totally untrue that Walcott dropped Louis in training.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    So all and sundry keeps saying but i am still not 100% convinced. Regardless he dropped him multiple times in real fights.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    There are people that do, actually.

    I'm not trying to make it overly relevant to anything. We all know sparring happenings don't mean much but i thought it worth noting with UF in general convo. So many lust after a good sparring story despite the fact that most of us don't get carried away with it all.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    There were three or four versions of the whole affair going around. Walcott dropping Louis even made one of Rocky's books i believe. There was also some denial that the photo's were authentic and they can't be found today i believe. Some historians took the side of Walcott dropping Louis.

    Might be one of those ones where you simply had to be there, which happens a lot the further back one goes.
     
  14. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This has been discussed in a prior forum. Walcott made the claim many years after he was a sparring partner in Louis camp (1936). The truth was he was only in the camp a day or two and he was the one who was knocked down not Louis. I refer you to my discussion in the earlier forum with a link to a photo showing Walcott on the canvas. I have two posts on this page: https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/jersey-joe-walcott-the-boxrec-warriors-video.624409/page-2 .
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    The pics aren't utterly conclusive. It could have been a slip and Walcott certainly seems in control of his senses and is actually breaking his fall.

    Maybe Walcott didn't drop him but either way it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Schmeling beat him just after the said sparring.