Who´d make 49 - 0 in the 50s ?

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  1. George Crowcroft

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    Why not?
     
  2. JohnThomas1

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    His knee's were gone after 32 fights anyway.
     
  3. mcvey

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    Who beats him?
    Which opponent of Marciano's would you make favourite over him?
    Which opponent of Rocky's would you confidently expect to go the distance with Tyson?
    The only way Tyson loses against any of those 49 is if he pulls a Tokyo, and starts banging ***** instead of training.
     
  4. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Spinks fought an still formidable Top 5 all time HW H2H ATG Holmes to a win and a legitimate draw. Who of that 49 - 0 was better than Holmes? We all know you can´t argue with age here, lol.
    After that, he stepped into the ring with a 6´6" SHW and 24-1 Tangstad. Thats at least three big wins over any Charlsy/Moore level, no?
    Where are the Bowe/Vitali monsters on that 49-0 stopping lightning fast Herbie Hide?? Hide is NOT losing against that past it guys.

    Ok lets apply another antiviral: Who of that 50s gang is beating:

    - David Haye
    - Larry Donald
    - Kirk Johnson (8 years undefeated)
    - Henry Akinwande (8 years undefeated)

    ???

    Keep in mind, half to 2/3 of that 49-0 is amateur level today:

    Epperson0-0-0
    Bilazarian3-5-0
    Edwards1-1-0
    Weeks 0-0-6
    Jackson 4-2-0
    Hardeman1-4-0
    Cardone 0-0-0
    Jefferson2-2-0
    Connolly 8-5-0
    Ferron 4-10-0
    Pretzie 9-5-0
    Donato7-10 -0
    Walls 9-15-1
    Evans18-7-0
    Mogard17-9-1
    Haft 12-7-0
    Louthis30-13-5
    DiGorgio9-9-0
    Dominic 18-10-0
    Eatman22-20-5
    Buonvino22-11-7
    Schkor30-18-2
    Lowry 66-57-19
    Simmons 8-8-0
    Mitchell 4-14-3
    Henri 13-15-1
    Applegate 11-14-2

    I´m not sure if I even see him losing like that......
     
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  5. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    At least thats a rational reasonale answer. But howmuch of that knee problem came from training with heavy weights? Spinks doesn´t need to go over 199lb in the 50s. 8 years of fighting and the job is done. How many years did Spinks fight, 11?
     
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  6. mcvey

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    Marciano fought 10 guys 185lbs or under, and 2 more within half a pound of it.He also fought another 8 ,175lbs or under.
     
  7. Gazelle Punch

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    Maybe you should check archies record and the big men he beat. He is not short there. Spinks beat an out of prime Holmes (very close fights) and beat a very rusty Cooney. Still very good wins and a good fighter. But besides those not much there. Hide? Yes Hide lost to some bigs but he wasn’t on the level of Walcott Charles Moore. Hide really doesn’t have a lot of quality wins.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    He had knee problems before the heavyweights. If he was fighting at heavyweight, even back then, he would have been coming in heavier than he was throughout his light heavyweight career.

    8 years, but with more fights crammed in fighting at a heavier weight against heavier opponents. I think the knee's would factor. Spinks chin was suspect at Heavyweight and he would have had some dangerous times. Holmes was well past his best but when he trained properly for that second fight he went a lot better. Never an overly big hitter he hurt Spinks plenty of times across their bouts with right hands that lacked the snap and timing they had just a few short years prior.
     
  9. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Did you srsly type
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    in a resume comparison for Rocky Marciano :D ??

    Want to open a H2H poll for the better single win between 35y old Larry Holmes or 38y old Archie Moore?
    You are not serious here right?
     
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  10. mcvey

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    I read it was running in heavy boots that did it.
     
  11. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    He managed to beat a still good hitting Cooney too. I don´t see Charles, Walcott or Moore as more dangerous hitters than the avarage of three fights with 2xHolmes and Cooney to make his whiskers that much of a factor here.
     
  12. Gazelle Punch

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    When did I mention Marciano? Are you forgetting what trolling you’re doing on which page? Stay focused. The question is wether or not these men could replicate the feat. The answer is no. Also Archie has the most underrated HW resume maybe ever. Also because someone beats one fighter it doesn’t mean they will beat another. Styles are important.
     
  13. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    I know stairs climping with weights, but running? Seems very absurd to me. You need a certain amound of damping on the sole while running (not just tarmac). Pretty sure they knew this in the 80s as well.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    Cooney was shyte and didn't even hit him hard and clean. Holmes was very tired and tho he ramped it up in the rematch he was still struggling. He'd lost a lot of snap and timing and tired more than he previously had. I'm not even sure he was that much better than he was later against Mercer. He seemed to have a bit of freshness and tho Mercer was straight forward Holmes looked pretty good. If a tired Holmes hurt him a Walcott or Moore certainly might. Again i really don't think his knee's would see him thru it all anyway.
     
  15. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Me trolling? Whole General Board is laughing about you monochromatic classic muppets, putting these guys against 50lb heavier fighters. As every prof. boxing trainer today would.

    You stay focused!!

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