Marciano-I Just Don't Understand It

Good post

 

You need to read The Life And Crimes Of Don King before pontificating on Witherspon vSmith2 Witherspoon didnt even have a say about who he was fighting whenTubbs withdrew claiming an injured shoulder.Witherpsoon entered the ring unmotivated and without any ambition at all.Before taxes and his trainers expenses [$30,000,] Witherspoon got $ 129,000 for defending his title Witherspoon received $90,000 for defending his title against Bruno,Bruno got£900,000.No wonder Witherspoon was demoralized!

 

I really don't get what your point is.

We were discussing how you seem to think Williams getting a call on a short 2 days notice was "no big deal" since he was "in shape" and should have won on paper since he was younger and bigger. I asked for an example of a heavyweight beating a dangerous slugger on short notice and you brought up Tim witherspoon vs Smith and he won a wide ud.

That was actually the first fight. Tim didnt fight smith the first on short notice So its an invalid example. The 2nd time they fought he was training for Tubbs and actually complained to king and his trainers and even threatened to pull out a week before the fight but was threatened with legal action by king since his whole training camp was geared toward preparing for a completely different opponent. An unfocused and apathetic Witherspoon proceeded to get destroyed in the 1st round to a guy be had previously beaten.

So i have no idea why you brought this up as though it validates the claim Williams being notified on a 2 days notice was no big deal since witherspoon also lost. Had he won you'd have a point.

 

Great post mate and good on you for stepping up. That takes a bit of courage in all these heated Marciano threads!!!!!

Just to add a small scrap to your post - not only is Wilder still active but he isn't regarded as lineal in a day of multiple titles. It's still very vague as to who is the actual top dog out of Furey, Joshua and Wilder. All have their supporters. We don't have any of that confusion with reigns like Marciano's - he was the one and only top dog.

 

I’ve always believed Witherspoon threw that fight in the tank

 

The former 2 you listed imo are much better than Marciano H2H. Don't know enough about the latter two to comment

 

The reason why I brought it up is because the second fight, the rematch, the one that Tim lost, is the one that resembled a fighter losing to a change of opponent on short notice.you asked and I presented a good example. I am surprised it confused you.

Satterfeild was supposed to fight Charlie Doc Williams a spindly tall guy with thin arms and a long neck. At the last moment doc pulled out and was replaced by the hulking Big Cat. Who lost.

Witherspoon was set to fight Tony Tubbs. At the last moment Tubbs was replaced with Bonecrusher Smith. Who won.

It’s a perfectly good example.

Another example might be Bredis Prescott who came in and fought Amir Khan. I think he was a replacement. I think Mark Kaylor was upset by a substitute opponent too. It happens.

 

If he didn't he clearly didn't care if he won or lost which he reiterated in an interview with Jack Newfield.

 

There are still other substitute opponents who managed to spoil the party. Unlike Williams who was not able to do as a sub against a much smaller man.

 

Which means what exactly? A twenty years old late sub failed to beat a top ten rated fighter.
Is that earth shattering news?
Less than a year earlier 214lbs Bob Baker failed to last a round with Satterfield.I haven't heard a peep put of you or
Porky Pie about that result!

 

I asked for an example of a boxer who was expected to win beating a dangerous ranked slugger as a last minute substitute. Are you not following the conversation? The whole point you were making is Williams had no excuse losing to Satterfield since he was "young and in shape" and you crucified him for it for like 5 pages!

Witherspoon wasnt just young and in shape, he was the champion and he had beaten Smith the previous year. Its arguably even worse than williams losing to Satterfield. Unlike you however i am somewhat forgiving of both these losses since williams and Witherspoon were expecting a completely different opponent and suffered from poor management decisions. They both faced dangerous veteran sluggers who were ranked in the top 10 at the last minute.

I cannot believe you are so thick headed you thought I was literally just asking for an example of someone losing to a last minute substitute. It's as if you completely forgot what we were talking about.

 

That was another wonderful result proving yet again a victim of Marcianos opposition could flatten big rated guys or modern sized heavyweights.

 

I love Satterfield's action style - do or die- he KO'd Baker 7/1/53 and Big Cat he KO'd 6/22/54

This fight was in the middle of those 1/13/54 and Charles had weight advantage 9 lbs and Bob looks an inch or 2 shorter IMO - Archie Moore KO'd Bob in 1949 and Rex Layne KO'd Bob in 1951

the fight below is a great action 2 rd fight

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I liked Bob. Excellent value, gave his all. He fought like Nigel Benn.

No highlight reel of Ezzard Charles is complete without the chilling knockout he scored over Satterfeild.