Fight of the Fortnight #4: The Cobra Will Always Bite Back...

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal
    Donald Curry vs Marlon Starling 1
    Ezzard Charles vs Harold Johnson
    Tommy Hearns vs Iran Barkley 2
    Tommy Hearns vs James Kinshen
    Carl Froch vs Mikkel Kessler 1

    Bit of everything here, some brawls, some hard ones to pick apart, some awesome technical fights, so hopefully something for everyone.

    Standard Reminder
    Hopefully we can see some new faces this week, maybe some old ones too; @IntentionalButt, @CST80, @Pat M, @mrkoolkevin, you man interested in doing a couple of these?
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tommy Hearns vs James Kinchen

    An ageing Tommy Hearns coming off a loss takes on late replacement, seemingly washed contender James Kinchen in a fight which was probably not expected to go the distance, and definitely not be as competitive as it was.

    Rd. Tommy : James
    1. 10 : 9
    2. 10 : 9
    3. 10 : 9
    4. 8[-1] : 10 (37-37)
    5. 10 : 9
    6. 10 : 9
    7. 10 : 9
    8. 9 : 10 (76-74)
    9. 10 : 9
    10. 9 : 10
    11. 10 : 9
    12. 9 : 10 (
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    Hearns wins a 12 round MD.

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    Good fight, but nothing mental. First 6 rounds were fun, as well as the 12th but it was mostly Hearns boxing Kinchen's ass off.

    Tommy showed he'd took a lesson in clinching in this one, which was his biggest technical weakness imo for the Leonard & Barkley fights.

    Kinchen seemed to be in loads of close fights, you know, the SD type. I think I'll put him in my watch list, especially given that this one was pretty entertaining. Anyone know enough about this to inform me? His style was pretty fun.

    @The Malibu Mauler, this is one of the Tommy fights I was recommending.
     
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  3. Abysmal Brute1981

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    You would get nothing but frustra ted as he held baaaackkkkk. Never threw enough. Same problem as Colin Jones, Mike Weaver
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

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    Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal
    The Cobra vs The Hatian Sensation

    Two undefeated prime top contenders going for broke in a war to become champ. What's not to love?

    Rd. Carl : Jean
    1. 10 : 9
    2. 9 : 10
    3. 10 : 9
    4. 9 : 10 (38-38)
    5. 9 : 10
    6. 10 : 9
    7. 10 : 9
    8. 9 : 10 (76-76)
    9. 10 : 9
    10. 10 : 9
    11. 10 : 9
    12. 10 : 10 (
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    Froch wins by 12 round UD.

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    Brilliant fight, fair scorecards imo, maybe a little wide but it is what is. This was a battle of 2 parts imo, the first was an 8 round tear up which was highly competitive, and imo tied. The second was a less competitive 4 rounder which Froch's conditioning won clearly.

    Pascal showed that he had the advantage in literally every technical aspect, but it just wasn't enough. His superior footwork, head-movement, speed, body shots, punch structure & selection wasn't enough to make up for Carl's toughness, conditioning and strength. Froch was a rock. Plain and simple, tough as ****, game as **** and always brought his all. Pascal too. Major respect to both.

    Speaking of Froch's strength, he had REAL power, he hurt and clubbed guys around with some poorly structured arm punches. Great fights every time Froch stepped in the squared circle. Gotta love the Cobra!
     
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  5. The Malibu Mauler

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    I'll check it out later
     
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  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes George, I agree..."the cobra will always bite back"...
     
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  7. Pat M

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    I scored the Pascal - Froch fight. I scored it 117-112 for Froch, giving him 1,2,6,7,8,9,10,11, giving Pascal 3,4,5, and scoring the 12th EVEN. I thought the 6th round was a big round for Froch and in the 8th Pascal set himself, kept his feet under him and was able to cut Froch.

    Pascal is quick and explosive, but he frustrates me. When he jabbed his way in and planted his feet, he was dominant. Unfortunately, most of the time he lunges in, is off balance when he gets there and his punches are off target and lack power. He didn't keep his feet under him. He was obviously the smaller fighter but fought mostly on the outside in Froch's range. I hope I didn't penalize him "style points" because he didn't fight like I wanted him to, but the guy has so much ability it is frustrating.
     
  8. Pat M

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    I scored Johnson - Charles. I scored it for Johnson 98-93 giving him 1,2,3,5,6,8,9, giving Charles 4,10, and scoring round 7 EVEN. Most of the rounds were close, and I wouldn't argue with someone who scored it for Charles. Most of the fight was fought at jab range. There were lots of jabs, some 1-2s, and a rare hook, there was almost no in fighting. Another thing, I don't remember seeing either fighter jab or throw a 1-2, and then create an angle and try to land a right hand, hook, or uppercut. I didn't even see a jab-hook combination. The fight was not the stereotypical "Philly fight", which I think of as a lot of left hooks and in fighting. It was more like an old time European fight with two fighters standing up and jabbing. Both seemed to have nice jabs.
     
  9. PhillyPhan69

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    Carl Froch vs Mikkel Kessler I

    There may be something rotten in Denmark...but not on this night! I feel the judges got the decision correct! I don’t feel that Kessler won this as much as I feel like Froch gave it away. Rounds 1-3 and 6-8 he just was not busy enough in my mind. I also don’t see how this made Boxing News top 100 (#96) best fights ever? I did however find it more exciting when it happened than on a rewatch and rescore so maybe live made it seem better? I just didn’t feel like either guy did great but Kessler forced the action and landed to me the better shots.

    rounds 1-3 Both guys have their moments but Froch (who said he needed to start fast?) just was not busy enough. I feel like Kessler opened a nice lead and didn’t even have to do much to get it.
    Rounds 4-5 Froch hits a groove and controls the action taking 2 comfortable rounds. Perhaps giving the illusion that he is winning the fight? But on the 10 pt must I have him behind even though he won his rounds wider.
    Rounds 6-8, Kessler again forced the action, both guys doing good work with the jab but Kesslers is sharp and solid and Froch’s is more of a flicking jab. Kessler has tighter defense while Froch is showboating keeping hands low trusting his reflexes which was dumb IMO! 7-8 Kessler turns it up and is in control and is up 6-2 on my card.
    9-12 back an forth this is finally turning into a fight and the final 2 rounds are full of action! Not a great fight in my mind but a pretty solid finish.

    1-3 Kessler (Kessler 30-27)
    4-5 Froch (Kessler (48-47)
    6-8 Kessler (Kessler 78-74)
    9 Froch
    10 Kessler
    11 Froch
    12 Kessler (Kessler 116-112)
    Kessler 116-112 or 8 rounds to 4. Again I feel like this fight was there for Froch to take but he tried to showboat and was not busy enough. To me he lost this in rounds 1-3 & 6 which were all rounds he could have had on my card if he had just done a little more.

    I don’t see a case for Froch winning and think he would be fortunate to get a draw! I don’t see the controversy over this one. My memory says he did much better the 2nd time, and need to score that one in a couple of weeks when I get done my current list. Go ahead and watch this if you have not seen it, I just don’t find it as exciting as many seem to.
     
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  10. PhillyPhan69

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    Froch vs Kessler 1 full fight
    https://v-s.mobi/carl-froch-vs-mikkel-kessler-full-fight-59:16
     
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  11. PhillyPhan69

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    I had it wide as well and really don’t see a case for Charles? I guess if you give him 4-5-7-9-10 you can argue a draw? Just not sure he should get all 5 of those or any of the other 5 o felt were more clear Johnson rds.

    RBR
    1 HJ
    2 HJ
    3 HJ
    4 HJ
    5 HJ
    6 HJ
    7 EC
    8 HJ
    9 EC
    10 EC

    7-3 Johnson
     
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  12. PhillyPhan69

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    I don’t find this fight as exciting as some do...I also thought it showed some of the limitations of both men. I really feel like Pascal did not do or give enough. He seemed to hold many of the cards in terms of skill and speed, yet never managed to successfully close the distance. His lunging probes really made me scratch my head. As Pat mentions when he used his jab properly he found success, he just didn’t seem to work that plan. Likewise his corner called for him to get inside and work the body, but he did not focus on that enough for my liking either. I feel like Froch won this wide and while I think 118-110 is a touch off the mark 117-111 116-112 seem pretty spot on.

    1 Froch
    2 Pascal
    3 Froch
    4 Pascal
    5 Froch
    6 Froch
    7 Froch
    8 Pascal
    9 Froch
    10 Froch
    11 Froch
    12 Froch
    Froch 117-111
     
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  13. roughdiamond

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    It's because Pascal is literally a Roy Jones Jr fanboy, and consequently tried to emulate his boxing style, instead of doing what would've worked best for him. He even had Roy as a trainer at one point. He also didn't have the cleverest ring IQ.
     
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    The Lone Star Cobra vs 'R Darling

    For the USBA & NABF titles, what a unification!

    Rd. Don : Lon
    1. 10 : 9
    2. 9 : 10
    3. 9 : 10
    4. 10 : 9 (38-38)
    5. 10 : 9
    6. 10 : 9
    7. 9 : 10
    8. 9 : 10 (76-76)
    9. 9 : 10
    10. 10 : 9
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    Curry wins by 12 round SD.

    Marlon was a consummate professional here, very workman like effort; he was much more active. Curry, on the other-hand, showed flashes of brilliance but remained static and lulled along for the most part. His flashes of brilliance were enough to just win the fight and the rounds he won. Like in round 10, when he fired on full cylinders, he pretty much left Starling in the dust. I appreciate he was already supposed struggling making weight, but c'mon, do something!

    Either way, I'm impressed with what I saw from both men, just a little frustrated with the fundimentals of Curry's minimalist style.

    No big breakdown for now, my tablet is nowhere near as good as my phone for this stuff.
     
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  15. PhillyPhan69

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    What is this tablet thing you speak of? Is it like my Spiral and ink pen method? Or are you from the future?
     
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