Why Didnt Lastarza Fight The Following?

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  1. mr. magoo

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    That’s fine. I don’t think he was a bad contender. He might not have been the MOST ideal but then again not every challenger always is
     
  2. mr. magoo

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    you mention the Rex Layne win being a split decision. Was it a robbery or somehow less valuable ?
     
  3. mcvey

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    Did I use the term robbery or say the win was less valuable? Personally I think a stoppage win ,or a clear cut decision is more meritorious than a splt dec that could have gone either way.Do you disagree?
    I called it a split dec because that's what is was. If I had said Lastarza beat the **** out of Layne wouldn't you have pulled me up on it?
    As it is you've got a microscope on every post I make!

    What would you call this result?

    Roland LaStarza v Rex Layne W Madison Square Garden, New York

    SD 10/10

    Judge: Young Otto 4-6
    "Roland LaStarza is aiming at a title shot with Rocky Marciano after his close win over Rex Layne in a rugged MSG bout. Layne bulled LaStarza in the first round and almost dropped him with a smashing right to the chin. LaStarza outboxed his man in the 2nd before Layne started to throw his 200 pounds around the ring. Through the 4th, 5th and 6th Layne dug a hard right to the body and countered with a right hand when LaStarza missed with long right hand leads. LaStarza started to rally in the 7th, shortening his right hand punches while Layne tired. In the 9th the 190 pound LaStarza wobbled Layne with a right to the head. He won the 10th on all three cards to nail down the decision." -Associated Press

    • Unofficial AP scorecard - 4-4-2 Draw
    • Unofficial UP scorecard - 5-4-1 Layne
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    I disagree. Wilder fought Ortiz and Fury within the same year. He was a scheduled to fight Povetkin and ready to hop on a plane to go to Russia when Pov failed his drug test. He’s been calling out Joshua for a long time as well but Hearn kept offering him bogus deals. Sure I would have rather seen him fight someone like Dillian whyte rather than Dominic Brezeale or Andy Ruiz rather than a rematch with Bernane Stiverne but to say that he’s ducked “ loads of guys “ is a stretch.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    You are entitled to your opinion.
    Can you explain why Wilder defended against Breazeale whom Joshua had totally wrecked in his 17th fight?
    Can you further explain why Wilder defended against unranked.
    Duhaupas
    Arreola
    Szpilka
    Washington
    Stiverne

    Whilst Joshua defended against
    Ranked
    Parker
    Ruiz
    Povetkin
    ???
     
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  6. mr. magoo

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    You didn’t mention the results of any of the other fights except that one then commented on the Bucceroni fight being “ ONE good win. “ Not accusing you of an agenda but you’re certainly putting a great deal of effort into tearing down LaStarza’s claim to a title shot.
     
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    I stated my feelings on Brezeale getting a title shot as well as addressing why I didn’t feel Wilder was cherry picking to the extent that you said he was
     
  8. mcvey

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    Simply put, I don't believe he deserved a title fight! Do you think Lastarza's 14 wins in that time period merited a title shot?
     
  9. mcvey

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    How many ranked fighters has 43 fight Wilder faced?
    How many has 24 fight Joshua faced?

    Who is the cherry picker here?
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    I don’t know how closely you’ve been following the scene over the past few years but some of those second raters you mentioned were last minute replacements for fighters who had bowed out because they either tested positive for drugs or for some other reason. Povetkin was one such example in which case Arreola was selected on less than a months notice. Bernane stiverne rematch was another last minute fill in when Luis Ortiz tested positive for drugs in November of 2018. As for why he hasn’t fought all of the other proposed men I’m not sure if all of them were even on the table at any given time. All I know is that fighting the dangerous Luis Ortiz and Tyson Fury within the same calendar year then opting to fight Fury again after narrowly escaping defeat doesn’t sound like ducking by my standards
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    16 wins actually. Including two or three quality wins and two losses which were promptly avenged. And my answer is that he did as much or more to get a shot as probably at least half the men who challenged for the crown in the existence of boxing as an organized sport
     
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  12. mr. magoo

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    now you’re changing the premise of the whole argument. I never accused Joshua of being a cherry picker. I’m only addressing your claim that Wilder ducked “ loads of guys “ which I believed to be an untrue statement as well as one which lacked any explanation behind it..
     
  13. mcvey

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    Why didn't denfend against another ranked opponent then or a decent top 15 guy as Joshua did when Mller tested positive,he took on top ten ranked Ruiz and ,when Pulev who was ranked,got cold feet ,he fought Takam.
     
  14. mcvey

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    The explanation is self evident when you look at whom he fought.Two ranked contenders in 10 defences over 5 years.That is cherry picking!
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    And I addressed to you in detail WHY he fought WHO he did and WHEN he did. If you want to keep glancing at ring annual ratings to deem everyone as being ranked or unranked in that year and not in that month OR by the WBC who’s belt wilder holds and represents then feel free to do so.