Peak Golovkin vs Peak Canelo

So the same rule doesn't apply?

 

Agree with all of it bar the last sentence. You cant be top dog of a division for near on ten yrs and be a drop in the ocean, he dominated it, whether he had good opposition or not they were dealt with efficiently. What more could he do ?

 

If you are someone who thinks that GGG beat Canelo in their first encounter, then you're surely not going to think Canelo would beat a younger more prime version of him like the version of GGG who fought David Lemieux.

But I think we need to be real about it and say that both Canelo and GGG are capable of beating each other on any given night. It comes down to who is the more probable / likely victor when you take the best versions of each. And it's about strategy too, Canelo fought GGG with two very different strategies, the first time to box and use his footwork, set traps etc and the second time to come right at him with relentless firepower. What would be the more effective way for Canelo to attack the GGG who fought David Lemieux? Does Canelo go balls to the wall get inside on GGG and take one to land two, or does he engage in a chess match vs a younger GGG? On the one hand going balls to the wall he's going to get hit more, but he'll also land with more regularity, could get him in trouble but could also hurt GGG. But by boxing him he could win over the judges by making GGG miss or engaging in a chess game that GGG even younger primer GGG never really experienced. Taking GGG into deep waters through mind games like he did in the first fight, GGG really didn't sink or swim he just was treading water all night trying to keep up.

There's also interpretation of what happened in both of their fights vs what actually happened which are two different things. If you as a GGG fan or someone with an anti-Canelo bias can't see that Canelo beat GGG the first time then no matter what happens unless Canelo knocks down GGG or hurts him badly you're always going to say GGG will win, so it's like trying to explain to a 5 year old that Santa Claus doesn't exist.

 

And he wasn't very good either at that time. So what's your point?

 

I mean I think there's a definite argument to be had for GGG fans to argue that GGG from a couple of years before he fought Canelo would have done better, would have been more explosive, might have hurt Canelo with bigger more dynamic punches that come from a younger more confident fighter than the GGG who fought Canelo the first time who did not look comfortable or healthy walking to the ring that night. That in itself is a reasonable argument, and he fought well he competed but something was definitely missing from GGG. He did not look poised to be impressive or win. It was like Canelo was the matador holding a mouse on a string and GGG was the cat continuously chasing the mouse on a string. Canelo had that ring generalship presence in his first match with GGG. From the opening bell it was clear that Canelo was in control and GGG was following. That's a role reversal on what's supposed to happen when a younger fighter fights an older fighter. But in this case the younger fighter was the more experienced fighter, and the optics of that were to say "GGG needs to land more punches because punch for punch Canelo was landing the better punches".

It always goes back to quality vs quantity and those who thought GGG won the first match seem to just totally ignore this fundamental aspect of boxing. Then tried to apply this concept to the rematch to argue that because GGG was fighting off his back foot in the rematch he was as effective as Canelo was doing it to him in the first fight. So to argue that Canelo fans need to credit GGG in the rematch as they credited Canelo on the first fight, as if we were looking at two identical things happened. GGG was just trying to keep up with Canelo in the first match, due to how ready to go Canelo was from the opening bell, sweeping the first 1/3rd of the match and GGG having to dig out of a deep hole he made for himself, which he did in rounds 5-9 getting himself back into the match. But GGG didn't come out ready to go in the first match like Canelo did, rather than performing in a way that set the tone for the encounter he came out sluggish and amateurish to the more experienced Canelo. That is why GGG complained about Canelo not fighting Mexican Style in the aftermath of their first encounter. GGG became like a politician trying to get Canelo to fight in a certain style, rather than doing something about how Canelo fought when he fought him.

Now to GGG's credit in the rematch he was ready to go from the opening bell. GGG was more poised and prepared to win the rematch, and he came out and won the first round in the rematch. But then Canelo fought back and win rounds 2 and 3. Then GGG feeling he was down by a round stepped up and won round 4. GGG stepped up in rounds 1 and 4 in the rematch but the question was could he keep that up for 8 more rounds and the answer was no. In rounds 5-8 Canelo stepped on the gas and took complete control of the rematch, before a GGG rally in the final 4 rounds made it close. But in the first match GGG did not appear to be at his best, nor was he as focused as he was in the rematch. And GGG fans have repeatedly made the argument it was because GGG suddenly was no longer prime. And his struggles vs Jacobs also would add to this argument, but then you see GGG look better and more healthy and prime looking in the rematch, then you say maybe it wasn't just age, maybe it was something else. (his training, or his focus, his hunger, his diet or other factors in addition to age)

GGG had something to prove coming into the rematch and he trained harder and better, it was a better version of him than who he was in the first match and was more prepared but the difference was that that coincided with Canelo's punch output and aggressiveness increasing in the rematch. That's what makes this so hard to interpret, because you had both fighters changing things. I think when you talk about peak vs peak you have to take the version of GGG from the Canelo rematch rather than the version of him from the first match or the version who struggled with Derevyanchenko. If GGG was in that kind of shape and fought that way the first time he fought Canelo the first match wouldn't have been a matador vs bull like it was instead it would have been a counter punching chess match. Canelo was pressured by GGG and the media into fighting more aggressive in the rematch so we never really seen the true chess match between the two. Because Canelo usually doesn't fight that aggressive and GGG usually isn't getting frustrated with a mover like GGG was in the first match.

If you ask Peak vs Peak then I think you're really looking at the Canelo of the first GGG match vs the GGG of the Canelo rematch, and that's probably what we would get if they ever do a 3rd match.

 

didn’t read

 

GGG would beat Canelo, feel like he would always dog out Canelo and beat him in a close decision (ie: their first fight)

 

Lot of controversy about this and the Bias for both Fighters lets put a Poll out on this forum and see what the most Fight Fans think...there may be some Bias for both Fighters that's true but it should give a good indication despite the so called Bias of what Fans think...I dont know how to do a poll I am an Old fighter who has been knocked around to much can someone put one up

 

What fighter's "ducked " him??

 

Lmfao comparing Whitaker vs Chavez with Canelo vs ggg shows that you know nothing about boxing .

 

Got it... now go vote!!

 

A poll won't work here, 90 percent of the people here praised ggg like some sort of god.

 

So almost everyone on here is pro Golovkin I dont think so..I reckon %60 would sit in the Middle and not be bias for both Golovkin and Canelo.....they are the ones who will decide the Poll....

 

Do you think boxers get better after 35? He beat a juiced up Canelo in the first fight. Maybe you were too busy staring at Canelo’s balls to notice the actual action in the ring. I was talking about boxing. Your hulked up ginger boytoy got a very undeserving W.