the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

No problems man. Here's mine.

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Rd. Jon : Dan
1. 10 : 9
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 9 (40-36)
5. 10 : 9
6. 9 : 10
7. 9 : 10
8. 9 : 10
9. 10 : 9
10. 10 : 9
11. 10 : 9
12. 9 : 10 (

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Akhmadaliev wins a 12 round SD.

Rounds 4&6 were close enough to go either way imo. Not a SD type fight. Clear MJ win imo.

Roman showing nice head-movement, a respectable willingness to trade and decent speed early on. Anyways, he ain't what we're focusing on now. Akhmadaliev... Wow! This kid's the goods. Seemingly good power, quick hands and feet, nice reflexes and all-round athleticsm, good fundamentals, very good gas tank and now he's shown he can put them all together and beat a top opponent. He seemed to improve as the fight progressed too, he was on Roman like a swarm of bees in the last few rounds.

I love the Uzbek style too, If were up to me, I'd give Muro a chance to fine tune his skills, then after a couple more fights this year, I'd wanna see the Navarrete fight. What a war that would be!

 

Rough, this is the best place for this result. And not to nitpick, but I think you had it 5-4-1 for Mina if I'm reading it correctly. Anyways, here is my result again on the NY rounds scoring basis.

Round 1: Hank
Round 2: Hank
Round 3: Mina
Round 4: Hank
Round 5: Mina (great round, could have been fought in a phone booth)
Round 6: Mina
Round 7: Mina
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Even (very little of substance took place this round - you could give to Mina on aggression but I said even)
Round 10: Mina

Total 5-3-2 Mina

I was so impressed with Mina's jab and short hooks inside. Don't know the story on this guy. Retired in '65 at the top of his game. This was his only fight in the U.S. MSG seemed to be impressed with him but he went back down to Peru and finished his career without a title shot. He should have pressed this and stayed in NY. You have to go where the money and opportunities are. Maybe just bad management.

I also looked around at anyone who scored this and I found two more posters that scored it 5-3-2 Mina, one who scored it 6-4 Mina, one who scored it 5-4-1 for Hank and the last one scored it a 5-5 Draw. So, a good tight fight.

 

I watched the 1977 John Stracey v Dave Boy Green fight this morning. Man, there wasn't a moment to breathe. Here is how I had it.

Round 1: Green
Round 2: Green
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Green
Round 5: Green
Round 6: Green
Round 7: Green
Round 8: Green
Round 9: Stracey
Round 10: Harry Gibb stops the bout in Green's favor

Total (through 9 completed rounds): 89 1/2 - 86 1/2 for Green (if I am understanding Britain's 10 - 9 1/2 scoring correctly)

Green was all over Stracey from the opening bell, slathering him in body shots, the 'muckspreader' and a careless noggin. It looked like Stracey was making a remarkable comeback from a winded Green in the 9th, but Green got his second win in the 10th and Gibb quite rightly pulled out a distressed Stracey. It seemed like the arena was electric that night. I'll bet that was fun to be a Green fan that night.

 

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The old warrior takes on a prime ATG, this can't be good... And the age difference is 18 years ffs! Morales' 21 to Zaragoza's 39. Truthfully, I'm not overly excited for this one, I'm expecting a pummeling. Plus Morales has a real bad style for Danny.

Rd. Zara : Erik
1. 10 : 10
2. 10 : 9*
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 9
5. 10 : 9 (50-46)
6. 10 : 9
7. 9 : 10
8. 9 : 10
9. 9 : 10
10. 8 : 10 (

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Morales wins by 11th round KO.

*Rounds marked are swingers.

I'd say this fight taught Zaragoza to keep his left hand up, but in reality it probably taught him not to exchange with a prime El Terrible at 39 years of age. Zara out-worked him pretty consistently for the first half. Morales got to him good after that though, his aggression caused him to gas bad.

Round 8 was awesome, huge heart on Zaragoza for that one, considered it 10-8 tbh. Morales showed his amazing artillery when he opened up, his offence was blistering. He countered Zara plenty and that pin-point right caught Zara almost every time Erik teed off. The body shot that got the KO and KD were nasty.

Sad really, coz a peak Zaragoza could've been a really good scalp for Morales and an awesome fight too, this one was good but seemed a little unjust, if you catch my drift. Loved the respect at the end though.

 

Loving the LHWs at the minute, aren't we Matt?

 

Yeah you're right, I made a mistake there. I'll edit it.

 

Sounds fun, I liked the LHWs recently. I imagine you're looking forward to the SMWs with Froch.

 

Alexis Arguello vs Ray Mancini

Arguello - Mancini

R1: 9 - 10
Mancini bobbing; leading with his left.
R2: 9 - 10
Great skills from both.
R3: 10 - 9
Arguello warming up.
R4: 9 - 10
Mancini a bull!
R5: 9 - 10
Mancini a ball of energy. Landing right hands.
R6: 9 - 10
Very good work from Mancini
R7: 9 - 10
Arguello adapting. Close.
R8: 10 - 9
Mancini hurt with a hook.
R9: 10 - 9
Arguello timing Mancini now.
R10: 10 - 9
Great action.
R11: 10 - 10
Close.
R12: 10 - 9
Tremendous rights from Arguello. Should've really been a knockdown called.
R13: 10 - 9
Mancini really hurt. Crazy heart.
R14: KO
Mancini badly hurt here.

TOTAL SCORES: 124 - 122 MANCINI

Notes:
A classic. Great action and skills from both men.

 

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Official Scores - 69-71, 72-71, 70-72
1965-05-18, Undisputed BW title.

First time watching this one fully. Two ATGs in action here, really looking forward to it. Regrettably, this is my first time watching Jofre at length so I have no reference for how close to his prime he looked. I've always been under the assumption he was just as good here as he ever was, a slight decline being arguable at best.
Anyways, I'm going on a 10 point must here(due to preference), I'll half it at the end though.

Rd. FH : EJ
1. 10 : 9
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 9
5. 9 : 10 (49-46)
6. 10 : 10
7. 9 : 10
8. 10 : 9
9. 10 : 9
10. 9 : 10 (97-94)
11. 10 : 9
12. 9 : 10
13. 10 : 10
14. 9 : 10
15. 10 : 9 (

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Definitely a Harada win imo, I can see it closer than 69-65, but not enough to pull an Éder win out. Let's say you give 3, 9&6, you're looking at a 1 point, or so, difference. Anyways, close, competitive fight between two peak(or close to it) ATGs. Imo, Harada's early lead was too much for Jofre too comeback. Absolutely brilliant fight though. Really good action, high pace and elite skills on display.

Harada, I'd say he fought the correct fight, the improvements I'd say he should've made was to try and be a little less negative with his smothering as he seemed to cost himself opportunities and openings. Jofre, on the other hand, was a little too minimalist here imo. If he'd picked up the pace and landed the shots he did at a higher volume he could've took this one. I know he had weight issues which could've made this a problem but he still looked as fresh as a daisy after a hard 15 rounder.

Love the respect between these two.

@roughdiamond

 

Masahiko Fighting Harada v Eder Jofre 2

Posting this in full expectation of getting a bit of stick for my card as it’s a lot wider than the official scores and than others have had it. But I scored it as I saw it and I saw a guy in Harada who was relentless and outworked a great but perhaps waning fighter in Jofre who simply couldn’t match the activity level that Harada brought.

To be clear though - while age and weight making could have been factors here, I think Harada just had a style that Jofre didn’t know what to do with. Jofre tried to counter and did some nice work but got outlanded inside and out. Harada was throwing 3 or 4 punches to every one that Jofre threw, particularly the jab which set up Masahiko’s attacks very effectively and was a points scoring weapon in its own right.

It wasn’t as good as the first fight but was never less than absorbing and the rounds flew by. Two all-time greats here but one guy just had the other guy’s number in my view. Anyway, here’s my card:

1 10-9
2 9-10 (close, swing round - I thought Harada might have got the better of the exchanges initially but can see an argument the other way and ultimately went with Jofre, just)
3 10-9 (these rounds are flying by - thoroughly absorbing! Clear Harada round as Jofre tries to smother his attacks but gets outworked inside and out.)
4 10-9 (Keep having to check that the rounds haven’t been shortened as they go by so quickly. Harada’s again as he beats Jofre to the punch fairly consistently)
5 10-9 (Whatever fight plan Jofre had coming in needs tearing up because that’s another round for Fighting Harada)
6 10-9 (A bit better from Jofre towards the end of the round but I couldn’t give it to him. Harada is outjabbing Jofre 2 or 3 to 1)
7 9-10 (Bit of a scrappier round this but Jofre gets a round in the bag for the first time in a good while on my card. Harada inevitably threw more but Jofre seemed to get his timing as the Japanese fighter swarmed. Good countering from the Brazilian)
8 10-10 (another swing round. I was ready to give this to Jofre after the first 90 seconds but Harada come back and outhustled him over the second half)
9 10-9 (tight round again, Jofre countered well at points but Harada worked the body well and was just busier)
10 10-9 (Jofre’s having some good moments in these rounds but it’s hard to give him them when he’s being outworked. He doesn’t seem to be able to take Harada out of his stride at all)
11 10-9 (I feel like I’m having to look for something to give to Eder here. Again, he has his moments where he counters Harada but it’s few and far between. Harada remains in perpetual motion - a bantamweight Henry Armstrong)
12 9-10 (I thought Jofre just shaded this although it was close. He got busier with the jab and countered effectively this round, trying to match Masahiko’s punch output)
13 10-9 (Jofre would need a miracle on my card to win this. A scrappy round relatively, Jofre has been outworked all night and Harada has never looked like running out of steam. Jofre can’t match Harada’s punch volume and whatever he has tried simply hasn’t worked or at least for long enough to make a positive impact on my scorecard)
14 10-9 (No wonder Jofre retired after this fight. Harada fought that round like he was behind on the cards and needed a KO to win. Absolute dominance from him and Jofre looks spent)
15 10-9 (The final bell puts Jofre out of his misery. He’s just been schooled)

Harada wins 11 rounds to 3 with 1 even

Harada 148-140 Jofre

 

Eder Jofre v Masahiko Fighting Harada 1

After watching Harada-Jofre 2 I went back and rescored the first fight just to make sure I wasn't off base and that my recollection was on point. Judging against my original card, I scored each round this time and then checked against my card for that round and that round only without peaking ahead to the next round. Although I did come up with a slightly different (and tighter) score my impression was nigh-on identical. The two rounds that differed were round 4 which I scored 10-8 to Harada last time but felt this time around that it wasn't quite so one-sided to give Harada the extra point and round 9 which I felt Jofre edged this time, whereas last time I had it even.

Jofre in my view was much more competitive in this fight than the rematch and there was not a lot between the fighters in many of the rounds.

1 9-10
2 9-10
3 10-10 (tight round)
4 9-10
(big round for Harada, wobbling Jofre mid-way through and going all out to try and stop him. Not quite enough for a 10-8 Harada round with hindsight)
5 10-9 (Jofre comes back)
6 9-10 (close)
7 10-9 (good exchanges, slightly higher quality from Jofre)
8 10-9 (close, but Jofre just edged it overall)
9 10-9 (close again, but Jofre came back to edge it. Scored this even last time)
10 9-10 (Harada takes this one, still tight though)
11 10-9 (Jofre landed the better shots)
12 9-10 (bit scrappy, more holding, both tired but Harada a bit busier)
13 10-10 (very tight, could go either way)
14 10-9 (some cracking action and strong right hands from Jofre swings things his way in this round)
15 9-10 (scrappy last round where Harada largely smothered Jofre's attempts at offense and scored enough to the body to take it)

7-6 in rounds to Harada with 2 rounds even

Jofre 143-144 Harada

 

Rough, I saw this bout live back in the day and re-scored it about a year ago. But I was most interested with your notation that the 12th round knockdown wasn't counted as a knockdown. I think I always assumed it was because it was a KD in every sense of the term, but did the ref count it? I re-watched the end of the 12th and it is difficult to know what Perez is doing. He certainly doesn't seem to be treating it like a KD even though Mancini walks to a neutral corner and is highly buzzed. Perez doesn't appear to pick up a count and looks like he is calling them together before the bell rings. The AP report on the fight says it was a KD and that Perez began to count. So now you have me stymied, Rough. I scored the fight as if it was a KD, but perhaps more research is needed.

Alexis Arguello - Ray 'Boom-Boom' Mancini

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Mancini
Round 3: 10-9 Mancini
Round 4: 10-9 Mancini
Round 5: 10-9 Mancini
Round 6: 10-9 Mancini
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Arguello
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Arguello
Round 11: 10-9 Arguello
Round 12: 10-8 Arguello (scores a knockdown)
Round 13: 10-9 Arguello
Round 14: Arguello scores a stoppage win

Total through 13 completed rounds: 125-124 Arguello

Alexis Arguello truly was a 15 round fighter. You may get off to a good start over him as Ray did, but he bides his time with every hook, uppercut, cross, jab and bodyshot which slowly whittles down the resolve, ribs and skin on his opponent before cuing him up for the KO. Remarkable fighter.