Prime George Foreman vs Prime Wlad Klitchsko

Wlad wasn't healthy vs. Brewster and Brewster IMO had a better chin and stamina. How Brewster got up from the right hand, I'll never know. Wlad easily outboxed Peter, who used foul punches to floor him.

To say Foreman was skilled is overstated things. He wasn't. He's just fortunate the best puncher he fought was Lyle, and Lyle almost beat him. Foreman's head is an easy target for Wlad's power jab. Since Foreman never fought a jabber with that type of power and had issues with good boxers who could jab, its speculation to say how it would change up his tactics.

As for mental fortitude, Wlad always got up. Once he had Stewards' style down ( Post Sanders and Brewster, and the point of this match up ) he was a very hard man to beat and actually holds the record for the longest amount of time that past as champion without being floored.

 

possibly. But to point out some obvious differences Sanders was a south paw and a faster handed one at that. Not really the same type of animal. And remember this was before Klits career was taken over by Emanuel Steward

 

Did Foreman ever get stopped by a Ross Purrity type of fighter ?

Did Foreman ever get blitzed in a couple of rounds by a flash in the pan Golfer who never ever won a meaningful fight ?

Did Foreman ever collapse against a walking zero defense except chin Heavybag named Brewster who also never won a meaningful fight ? Unless you call Krasniq or washed up Golata meaningful.

Did Foreman ever go life and death with a crude wide swinging caveman for the distance ? The closest is Ron Lyle who was more skilled than Peter and Foreman finished him off.

Is this the same WK who went for a track meet with the heavyweight fraud of the century , glass chinned David Haye ?

Is this the same WK who octopussed the Russian Hype job Povetkin who also never ever won a meaningful fight ? Whats his best win , lol, going life and death with Huck and Chambers ?

Foreman is all wrong for WK, he will panic under pressure , the proof is in the pudding.....if you do not fall into the jab and grab routine but make him fight on instinct instead of thinking he will and did fall apart..........Foreman will be on him like a cheap suit forcing a fire fight which WK cannot win because of chin and will.......same with Bowe or Tyson..those type of fighters are all wrong for him

One more time, while old, he got outhustled by pillow fist Fury and could not convince to let his hands go.....even older against a green Bodybuilder he did let his hands go but got betrayed by his chin , confidence and stamina again, he even let the Bodybuilder off the hook while said Bodybuilder was dead for a couple of rounds............while stone old and fat, Foreman let his hands go against a prime Holyfield, he lost convincingly but had some moments.......while even older he let his hands go against prime Morrison but could not deal with the movement and lost but not stopped.....what I am saying is that Foreman young or old always lets his hands go even under adverse conditions while WK just wants to survive under similar circumstances.

Conclusion: WK gets stopped within 3, there is no way it goes any further.

 

Foreman was rocked by Lakusta( a journeyman at best, and fouled during the process ) and collapsed vs Jimmy Young. Had the Young fight been 15 rounds, Foreman's getting stopped.

There is chance the 70's Foreman could gas out vs Purity.

How can you say Brewster never won a meaningful fight, that's not true.

On skills ,speed, and footwork, its Wlad all the way. Both hit hard enough to KO each other, and I think we've seen the limits of Foreman's chin. Ali, not known for power ended the fight with one right hand. Or course Foreman's lack of stamina and ring IQ were also factors.

 

I wouldn't count on it, Chuvalo was basically a better Purity and Foreman picked him clean.

 

Purity was an expert at covering up. There is a reason why he was very hard to stop. He was durable and knew how to defend himself. Many puncher tired to stop him. Foreman could very well gas here as I don't think he hit much harder than Wlad, Rhaman, Sanders or Morrison...punchers who failed to stop Purity.

 

Were the punches Brewster, Joshua, Sanders, and purrity throwing illegal? The point is he isn't very durable and went down against guys who didn't hit as hard as foreman.

Typical you are making excuses for wladmir for any of his losses but ignore foreman fighting outdoors in hot muggy weather with lose ropes and idiotic cornermen.

As for mental fortitude I didn't say wlad never got back up or that he didn't gave heart, im saying he became very cautious when someone pursued him aggressively and had him hurt. He rarely stands his ground in those moments and will resort to clinching or trying to play keep away. That might not work against foreman. It didn't work against Brewster, Sanders, or purrity and no amount of excuses will change this fact. Wladmir was a boxer first, fighter second. Foreman wanted nothing more than to slug it out. Different mentalities. If wladmir can force foreman to box obviously he has the advantage but if Foreman hurts him I don't see the clash of styles working in wladmirs favor.

Foreman was skilled. You have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe try to watch break downs other than your favorite fighter for once? People might actually enjoy debating you.

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No the punches from Sanders, Joshua, and Brewster were fine, and I think ALL three hit harder than Lyle who nearly upset Foreman, and had him gassed after four rounds. I also think Wlad hit harder than Sanders, Joshua, and Brewster.

Clinching could work. Or Wlad's, or his footworks and speed might make it a moot point, Foreman would not catch him and with his small gas thank might burn up too much energy on the chase. Foreman fans just can't admit he could gas and did not fight smart. If a guy went at him in his time, they lost. But if they boxed and moved....different story and none of them had the weaponry or range that Wlad has.

If you saw Wlad on the way up, he was a destroyer type. Not a boxer type. He just switched his style with Steward because it took away the other guys punchers chance once he mastered it.

Foreman was so skilled, Ali made him look like a hack landing clean right hand leads on him. Jimmy Young made him look rather ordinary. Ron Lyle made him look like a gasy puncher with limited speed. Yea, Foreman was skilled. Watch the fights and you see why Wlad has a real chance here. Not that you are the type to admit that.

 

Purritys high guard made him an open target for Foreman's shovel shots. A prime Foreman would very likely blast Purrity into oblivion.
Not a hope Foreman loses to Purrity.

 

Yep - He was also 36 years old and had been fighting on more or less a part-time basis.

No, they weren’t. But, other than being around the same size, the one thing they had in common is that they both posed a serious offensive threat.

Size wouldn’t have been a factor for Foreman, no more than it was for Sanders, which was my original point.

I can appreciate that Steward helped improve Wlad, but they did lose a title together and, again, against a fighter of similar size to Foreman and Sanders, albeit of a different composition (shorter, but thicker set and perhaps a bit heftier, in Brewster).

To reiterate... ...the point here is that any size difference between Wlad and Foreman is of next to no influence on how Wlad reacts to an effective, offensive threat.

 

agree with everything you said . still tho what i saw foreman do to norton and frazier is he touches the guys and they fall.

Foreman was slower . i agree

Foreman was smaller i agree

Wlad was faster i agree

Wlad was bigger i agree .

Foreman in my opinon finds a way inside and stops wlads .

Had we been talking about vitali id probably answer you different and id favor vitali

 

I like the classic section to be honest . way better than the general forum section.

I favor foreman. But i like how klitschko fans are making a logical case for klitschko with knowledgeable statements.

 

Err about that, foreman actually cut weight to get down to 220. This is well documented. The reason Foreman looks so huge and menacing on screen is because he was basically a compressed superheavyweight. Wladmir took all kinds of supplements and did weight training to get up to 240. Their natural weights are actually not far apart.

This is classic shifting of the goal posts. Why can't people stick to one subject? Oll humor you.

1-foreman hadn't fought in a year, had a new trainer, and his confidence had waned leading up to the Lyle fight. Yet he got off the floor to win fight of the year. If you're looking for "mental fortitude" there you go.

2-i doubt Brewster hit harder than Lyle, he was more of a volume puncher. Sanders power came from his frightening hand speed and his south paw stance, there were a lot of guys Sanders couldn't stop. Joshua i agree probably hits harder than Lyle. What does it matter? The point is Wladmir was KO'd by all these men and his chin is lacking so he would have to fight a picture perfect fight all night to avoid going to sleep.

3-what the hell does wladmir's power have to do with his ability to take a punch? Once again, stay on topic. No one is denying Wladmir could hit hard, calm down. You can get back to rubbing lotion to Klitschko highlights later.

No moving would not work. Foreman would cut the ring off. Ali, who had far better footwork than Wladmir, discovered very quickly that he would have to take 2-3 steps for every one step Foreman did and abandoned that strategy. Wladmir being 240 lbs would be very detrimental to him wanting to use a stick and move strategy as his stamina would drain rapidly.

When did I say Foreman couldn't gas? For once could people stop putting words in my mouth? I just happen to think Foreman likely stops him before it becomes an issue. And Wladmir gassed in at least 2 fights, same as Foreman.

For the record, the REASON Foreman gassed in his prime was primarily because he was facing 2 of the slipperiest heavyweights of all time in a hot outdoor environment. Wladmir is technically sound but he is no defensive wizard like young. Foreman lost but he did go the distance and was a dangerous puncher for every second of every round by Young's own admission ("he didn't know it but he nearly had me out of there"). Foreman also went the distance with Peralta without gassing.

Outside of a punchers chance, he would have gotten destroyed if he fought the way he did against Brewster and Purrity and that's not even debatable.

Correct, ALI made him look like a hack, literally the fastest heavyweight of all time with an iron chin and good ring generalship. Wladmir only possessed the latter attribute. He did not have the toughness to absorb those police battering ram blows to the body or the slickness to slip and roll with Foreman's bludgeoning hooks. Stop bringing up Ali as if Wladmir is just going to box circles around Foreman and leave a trail of after images. Wladmir got tagged by plenty of slow ass individuals.

Except I did admit Wladmir has a chance. He has the power to turn things around if he survives the early rounds and stop him late and he also has the skill to win a decision if he can force Foreman to box at his pace. I just don't think this is the likeliest scenario if we are talking about peak seak and destroy Foreman who had his confidence.

 

Too many in here writing off Wlad too easily.

My money would be on Foreman, but Wlad was more skilled and would be a live underdog.

Wlad was never KO'd so my pick, best for best, would be Big George by TKO.

 

Terrific post.