No boxer in history can beat a Prime Floyd Mayweather Jr. (at his weight class) Agree or not?

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  1. royjonesfan

    royjonesfan Member banned Full Member

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    When I say Prime Floyd I am talking about before his first retirement, before he damaged his hand and became a less lethal puncher and became more defense orientated

    Lets examine the boxers who were close to beating him
    - Castillo - Floyd did not prepare for the first fight.When he made the adjustments and took it seriously the rematch was a walk in the cake
    -Oscar De La Hoya - Close fight. But Mayweather wins each time
    -Manny - Neither fighter was in their prime. Still, Mayweather made him miss most his shots. If they were both in their primes, Floyd will hit harder due to no hand injury, and he is even faster. Even easier fight
    -Canelo - don't make me laugh

    Now lets examine other boxers from different eras who might give Floyd a challenge

    Sugar Ray Robinson - no doubt he will be the toughest challenge. With many physical advantages and great offensive skills, he could have Floyd in trouble. Still, Floyd's defense is too good and Floyd's ring IQ is too high
    Tommy Hearns - much taller, and a great KO artist. No problem. Floyd will analyse him and adjust to fight on the inside in the later rounds
    Roberto Duran - Great defense and formidable punching power. Floyd has quicker reflexes, better reach, and does not have 16 losses because he fights smarter
    Pernell Whittaker - Arguably the best defense ever. No problem, Floyd is a savage in his prime and can unload powerful punches
    Marvin Hagler - If he cut to Floyd's weight, Floyd would be too experienced in that division. If Floyd moves to MW he will lose, but in Floy'ds division he is the king
     
  2. reckless

    reckless Active Member Full Member

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    Is it something special that he can beat people his own size or smaller?

    Guys like Joe Louis, Mike Tyson, Holyfield, Ali beat men who were several inches taller and weighed more than themselves.
     
  3. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This OP is a troll right???

    A prime Duran savages Floyd at the lighter weights i just think Duran would be too powerful, too skillful on the inside. Floyd shoulder roll and pull counter aint going to work when the guy is on your chest. Floyd's a great fighter but he's best with some range to work with.
    Duran all day. He might have 14 defeats but look who they were against. Hagler well above prime weight and many of those defeats came when he was past his best, this was a guy who fought everyone. Past his best a weight class or 3 above what he should be he still beat Iran Barkley that's how good he was. When has Floyd ever done that? Gone into a fight with everything stacked against....him he hasn't? Look at JMM dragged him up a couple of weights..
    Hatton dragged him up a division (he beats Hatton at any weight but Hattons best years were at 140).

    Hearns also beats Floyd elite level KO power, wicked jab and body punches. Floyd struggled with a past prime ODH who was able to pin him back with the jab - Hearns jab is up there with the best, he's the bigger man, more power good boxing brain. If Mossley can ring Floyds bell you bet Hearns is

    Dissmissing Ray Robinson - dangerous man - a guy with 100+ fights with wins over names that still echo around now but he wouldn't give Floyd a fight?? Madness! A guy with more KO's than Floyd had fights??? It's al;ways hard to judge guys from vastly different era's but SRR would be in the fight and no mistake

    Hagler if he cut to Floyds weight?? Are you on glue? Hagler was an elite level bad ass at middle he won't be draining down to Floyds weight.

    As for your comments on Manny you could say the say about him -he was past his best to - the Pac that fought Cotto might have given him more problems although I think the size advantages and Floyds style would probably keep him our of harms way even against a prime Pac
     
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  4. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Disagree firmly, because I don't believe there exists such a thing as an unbeatable fighter.
     
  5. royjonesfan

    royjonesfan Member banned Full Member

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    Well to be fair those guys all had losses at some point

    And all those fights were at heavyweight.

    I think Floyd still destroys most fighters who outweigh him by 10-15 lbs and a few inches in height
     
  6. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Have Floyd fight Duran Leonard and Hearns at their prime and see if he beats any let alone all
     
  7. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Leonard and hearns beat floyd

    Idk about duran or robinson

    Possibly paul williams as well
     
  8. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol how can you say he beats Oscar everytime when he barely beat Oscar when he was bordering being washed up and was 8 years past his best and already lost a few times. In fact, Oscar was beating Floyd when they were both fresh. Even Emmanuel stewart who was loving on Floyd all fight was forced to admit around the 7th round if Floyd didn't pick it up he was going to lose the fight. And the only reason he started taking over the fight around the 9th was because Oscar started gassing. They asked him why he stopped throwing his jab since it was basically dictating the fight for Oscar and he sidestepped the question after. Its because once he started gassing it lost some zip and was hanging it out there just long enough for Floyd to throw his right hand counter over up. Floyd won that fight by 1-2 rounds. To think a prime Oscar who was notably faster, punches were more vicious, had better endurance and would never gas vs a smaller, less powerful fighter like Floyd. To think he could have won another 2-3 rounds in his prime or even KO Floyd is Ludacris. This was also the addict Oscar fighting too. You put Floyd vs that 97-2000 Oscar, Oscar would destroy him. Floyd has never faced anything remotely like that in his career.
     
  9. royjonesfan

    royjonesfan Member banned Full Member

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    Floyd was not in his prime then either. He had damaged hands after his earlier years

    Floyd Mayweather has had brittle hands which are more susceptible to breaking or chipping off. His Father was plagued with the same affliction. Floyd developed bone problems much later in his professional career than his Father.

    Floyd Mayweather actually changed his style and took a lot of offense out of it due to bone problems. He did this slowly after the first Castillo bout.

    In the first Castillo fight be said it was the sharpest pain I ever felt.

    So brittle bones are bones that could break or shatter splinters etc.

    Take a quick look at how Floyd was boxing in the first half of his career and then look at the second. Night and day difference.
     
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hearns was far better than Floyd his reach would make his straight right too hard for Floyd to counter from the shoulder roll and Tommy was far better a opening opponents up, plus he out-boxed Benitez Floyd never beat a prime fighter on Wilfredo`s level, Duran wa also better than Floyd offensively.
     
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  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hagler would be far too big for Floyd, he would have jabbed his head off with that long lead, Marvin was a killer.
     
  12. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought Floyd lost first time I saw it. I also believe Trinidad would beat Floyd. To think anything else than that the Fabulous 4 would beat Floyd is crazy talk.
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Carmen Basilio would run him out of the ring, let alone those other guys.

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    There are lots of fighters throughout history who would or could beat him. Great fighter for sure but there are lots of other greats who fought a much higher level of opposition and proved they could beat true prime greats and legends of the sport.
     
  14. Serge

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    What round does Tommy spark Floyd out cold in?

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  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He coulda fought a prime Pac, but he needed an extra edge. USada in his pocket to give him TUE post fight.

    Ironic he was the one caught with illegal IVs when that was what derailed a fight with a prime pac.

    And to answer your question, quite a few “could” have beat him, would they have, who knows.

    Chavez could do a Castillo but better. Duran would swarm him. A past it ODLH took him to SD granted not at floyds best weight so a prime one coulda done better. SRL would be favoured based on floyds fight with Judah (fighting a fast slick technical boxer). Hearns would stop him.