Better resume SRL or Pac?

Great post.

Everyone's circumstances are different.

Nobody knows how Ray would have reacted had his have been different to what we saw.

Manny's longevity has been incredible and he deserves huge respect for that.

 

Context please.

Manny is truly great. But there was nothing basic about Ray's career.

Comparing beating Marvin to beating guys like Hatton is ridiculous.

Was Marvin faded? Of course. But wasn't Ray also faded?

He hadn't fought for over 3 years.

He'd never fought at MW before.

Manny had great longevity that deserves huge respect. But we don't know how he'd have reacted to facing a great fighter after a 3 year lay off, even if that great was faded,

Of course Ray would have failed fighting across a similar number of weight classes. But his circumstances were completely different. He never had the opportunity to do what Manny did. His 4th weight class would have been LHW.

 

Ray abused himself and didn’t need to be out for three years. That’s why he was past it for Hagler. Manny deserves respect for the discipline he has, which Leonard lacked.

Hatton is probably top 5 all time at 140 and Pac destroyed him. Pac didn’t nick a close disputed decision by shoeshining and running.

 

You're hopeless.

 

Your feelings

 

No way is Hatton top five.

 

He's just a time waster.

He never applies context to anything.

How can you compare fighting Ricky Hatton at LWW, to Ray moving up to MW for the first time, to fight Marvin Hagler after a 3 year off?

He thinks that the win over Hatton was more impressive because of the knockout, without taking into account the calibre of the fighters etc.

The guy's a joker.

 

140 is a new division. The top 5 probably includes Chavez, Zoo, Cervantes, and Benitez.

The 5 spot could go to Pryor (PED's), Crawford, Bradley, or Hatton.

Hatton is top ten there and has a nice case for top 5.

 

Ok, so if you sit out shoving blow up your nose and scrap out an undeserved decision over a fading great champion it's infinitely better than moving up to ko a basically prime champion who may be hof bound.

 

Chavez, Pryor, Cervantes, Locche and Tszyu are better than Hatton at 140 for starters.

 

Oh my.

 

You're looking at the circumstances.

The degree of difficulty.

The calibre of the fighters in question.

Ray beating Hagler was much more of an accomplishment than Manny beating Hatton.

This shouldn't need explaining to you.

 

I disagree about Locche. Hatton beat Zoo, Urango, Castillo Lazcano, Phillips, and Paulie. He also unified against Maussa which should've been Vivian if Vivian didn't blow it. Locche didn't get those kind of wins and would probably get mauled by Hatton who came in the ring heavy.

Pryor beat an old Cervantes and an aging, wrong weightclass Arguello with the use of PED's. Hatton can easily be argued ahead of Pryor.