I'm obviously not talking about guys who were around before the division was made. Like I said earlier, Pacquaio was more than capable of jumping to 140 or 147 and nicking a decision off a faded great champion. He just nicked one off a faded Thurman at age 40. But there was no chance in hell of Leonard sticking around for 20-25 years and taking legitimate belts in as many weightclasses as Pac.
Both are legendary and you are right there are different kinds of circumstances and legends. The ones who fight everyone like Manny and then others who make the big scene and fight the great guys by luck in exciting fights like Ray. Both are great. Manny might have one of the best resumes in history. It really has been incredible. Sometimes I think guys should retire where Manny is now. That one extra fight where he is stopped by someone like a Spence does hurt the legacies somewhat, and it is not fair.
I never said Ray was totally faded. But yes, he was certainly past his best after 3 years of inactivity and his poor showing against Howard.
Does Thurman compare to Hagler? Again, how could Ray have even have fought in the same amount of weight classes as Manny? Engage your brain.
True.. But he hasn't lost to Spence yet and thats what they were sayin' about Thurman … Well at least in General they were .. ha …. It's hard because you can basically pick that one fight on any active ATG's resume and say , he should have stopped right there. But it takes hindsight to do that. For me, Old man Pac is in the time where if he losses, he doesn't hurt his legacy one bit, he has lost before but has already accomplished SO much
I agree with that … but comparably he wasn't the faded fighter in the ring that night, the other guy was the one who was Shopworn, not Ray
Tsyzu was pfp, unified and favored. Cervantes was overcooked by comparison. Destroying Castillo is a nice supporting cast win for a resume.
It's very tempting to say that because Leonard has top tier scalps but when you really think about it Manny has significantly better depth, and with the exception of the Marquez fights, he tends to win more decisively. Manny Has: Barerra 2X Morales 2X Marquez 3X De la Hoya Mosley Cotto Margarito Hatton Thurman Broner Bradley 2X Matthyse Diaz SRL: Duran 2X Hagler Hearns Benitez Kalule Lalonde SRL's win over Hagler is not without controversy as was the 3rd installment of Pacquaio vs Marquez. Mosley and De la Hoya were old but Manny was also old when he beat Matthyse, Broner and Thurman. Sugar Ray Leonard has one of the flashiest top shelf wins in boxing history, but Manny has so many wins over future HOF fighters/ATG fighters and when you consider how many top tier wins were done in succession: Barrera II, Marquez II, Diaz, De la Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Marquez III (in a 4 year time frame). To me it bridges the gap. I pick Manny.