The arguments can stop ... a new RING Heavyweight Championship Lineage Begins February 22

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  1. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Lineal, linear, linkedin, whatever....there have been too many alphabet soup organizations handing out belts for anyone to be
    a direct line back to John L Sullivan. So it's a total joke even mentioning this mythical "title" in a responsible boxing forum.

    FFF this isn't some DNA linked search.

    Even calling someone "undisputed" would be open to dispute due to the plethora of belts. Unifying EVERY belt out there would be
    nearly impossible....which is why Usyk deserves a lot of credit for capturing all the CW belts. Joshua has come closest (I'm ignoring Ruiz' short reign); if he defeats Pulev, then fights the winner of Fury-Wilder II I believe he would unify all the HW belts, which would be an amazing accomplishment, but someone correct me if I'm wrong about all the belts.
     
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  2. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Because AJ has the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO belts. That's why. Wilder has the WBC belt. Yeah I know it's crazy but it is what it is.
     
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  3. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Wilder wins, watch as all the people who dismissed Fury's lineal suddenly hold the concept in very high esteem.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joshua hasn't come the closest.

    Tyson Fury won all the belts Joshua has, plus the RING championship, plus he drew with the WBC Champ.

    They don't take the belts away from you when you lose. They present the winners with new belts.

    Fury possesses all the title belts Joshua has, plus the RING belt. If he beats Wilder, he will have won all the heavyweight titles and his second RING championship belt.

    Joshua was rated #1 in the RING ratings the first time Wilder and Fury fought. When Joshua got dropped four times, spit out his mouthpiece and quit last year, he fell from the top spot and Fury and Wilder, who were right behind him, moved up.

    They are the two best heavyweights. They are undefeated. The only blemishes on their ring records were a draw against each other.

    When they fight, the winner will be the WORLD champion.

    That was the case when Schmeling and Sharkey fought after Tunney retired. That was the case when Patterson and Moore fought after Marciano retired.

    They are the two best. They will fight. The winner will be the WORLD heavyweight champion.

    The winner could decide to ignore the sanctioning bodies altogether.

    He will be the world champion, regardless of what any sanctioning bodies do.

    And the person who beats him will be the next World Champion. And on down the line.

    You can complain about a lot of things that happened in the past. We all have.

    But the top two are fighting in 10 days. They will push the RESTART button.

    The new lineage begins with them. #1 vs #2.

    We'll have a true WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION in 10 days.

    And Anthony Joshua can stake his claim as the top contender to the winner. But he isn't one of the top two, and he has no fights lined up, so he has no say in any of this.
     
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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    IBO (LOL).
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Masochist. (LOL)
     
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  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Agreed. Minus Andy Ruiz six months, we've been living in Joshua's title reign for the last three years. He has three belts to one and zero and he's the most accomplished and dominant heavyweight at the moment. Wilder and Fury are just the top contenders. You can forget lineal in an age with so many belts and where people duck their top challengers. The champ is whoever is doing best at the moment. They don't even have to lose to lose their crown. Golovkin didn't have to beat Sergio or Canelo either. He was the best from 2013-2019. That's his reign. Belts or not, lineal or not, he was clearly the best then. Joshua's been the most dominant since 2017 at least. Likewise, Terence Crawford is the best at welterweight since 2018. Spence will have to beat him to claim supremacy.
     
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  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Those assholes don't make the rules.
    And not after that bull**** they pulled ranking Canelo as champ over Golovkin for years when he'd never fought a middleweight and was still defending his junior middleweight title. That's unconscionable. If the ranker has no legitimacy then neither do their rankings.
     
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  9. Gymbot

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    Quite easily. He holds 3 of the 4 recognised championship belts. That's a fact, not a belief.
     
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  10. Jamzy ⭐

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    Lineal is overrated.
     
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  11. Heisenberg

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    We’ll only have the announcement of a new heavyweight champion if Fury wins. If Wilder wins I’m pretty sure the MC will call ‘and still’. If a Wilder victory is announced as the new lineal heavyweight champion of the world then it’s pretty embarrassing seeing a Wilder himself classes it as an imaginary title.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    Wilder fans, I invite you to my thread.

    [url]https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/question-to-wilder-fans.644012/[/url]
     
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  13. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you've been living in Joshua's reign for three years, I think you need to move. (LOL)

    And, if we ignore the fact that Joe Frazier got destroyed by George Foreman in 1973, Joe had a pretty good year in 1973, too. But the six knockdown loss happened. Just like Joshua's four knockdown quit job happened.

    Anthony Joshua was the top rated heavyweight. Then he was obliterated, and he dropped behind Fury and Wilder. Losses count. You don't get to pretend they didn't happen.

    Not even in whatever world you're living in ... "Anthony Joshua Land" apparently.
     
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  14. Dubblechin

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    The fight on February 22 between the top two heavyweights has nothing to do with what happened in a middleweight fight FIVE YEARS AGO.

    The top two heavyweights are fighting to determine who is the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT champion.

    They deserve their rankings. The winner will be announced as the new World Champion. He will be presented with the RING championship belt in a ceremony later to signify his accomplishment, just like all the other RING champions in history have done.

    Anthony Joshua has never been the RING champion. He's never beaten the top heavyweight in the world. Joshua, Canelo, Golovkin and every other fighter you want to mention have NOTHING TO DO with the fight coming up to crown the new World Heavyweight Champion.

    Just enjoy that we'll have a moment of clarity.

    I get the feeling many of you started following boxing when there was no WORLD heavyweight champion, so you are confused.

    When there is a WORLD heavyweight champion, and he's recognized as such, it's a good thing for the sport as a whole.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There have been many times when there is a WORLD Heavyweight Champion and others held belts.

    There were "Caucasian" heavyweight champions when Jack Johnson was World Champion.

    There were "Negro" heavyweight champions when Johnson, Willard, Dempsey and Tunney drew the color line.

    Lee Savold was recognized by the British Boxing Board of Control as the heavyweight champion for a year, when Ezzard Charles was recognized everywhere else.

    Ernie Terrell was recognized as WBA champion when Muhammad Ali was the World Champion.

    Mike Weaver, Michael Dokes, Gerrie Coetzee, Tim Witherspoon, Greg Page, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs and Trevor Berbick, etc., were all recognized as either WBA or WBC champs when Larry Holmes was the World Heavyweight Champion.

    Francesco Damiani, Ray Mercer, Michael Moorer, Herbie Hide, were recognized as the WBO champion when Mike Tyson, Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield and Riddick Bowe were winning and losing the WORLD title.

    John Ruiz, Chris Byrd, Brian Nielsen, Roy Jones, etc., were recognized as WBA, IBF, IBC, etc. champs when Lennox Lewis was the WORLD champion.

    We can acknowledge they all held belts and were recognized as an org's champ. Anthony Joshua has belts, too. Although he may dump one before he steps into the ring next time, whenever that will be.

    But we also keep track of and acknowledge who the WORLD heavyweight champion actually was.

    And we'll acknowledge who the WORLD heavyweight champion is when he's crowned on February 22.

    NINE days and counting.
     
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