the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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Official Scores(TOS)- 96-90, 97-93, 97-93
1960-08-18, NBA Bantamweight Eliminator

Just to see the difference in ability between this Jofre and the one from the Harada fights before I get onto the 2nd Harada fight.

Rd. Jofre : Medel
1. 10 : 9
2. 9 : 10
3. 10 : 9 (29-28)
4. 10 : 9
5. 10 : 9
6. 10 : 9 (59-55)
7. 9 : 10
8. 10 : 9
9. 9 : 10 (

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Not difficult to score at all, Jofre handedly took it in almost every round. Very high skill fight with good action early on and amazing from technical perspective later on. Rounds 5&9 were particularly good. I was really impressed with these two, Jofre especially. He showed excellent skill, willingness to trade, real good defence, quick hands and feet along with a hard punch. Medel showed good skills, that he could take a punch, throw nice short shots and fight well going forward or off the ropes.

 

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1963-09-26, None-Title Fight

@roughdiamond told me this was a WAR. Looking forward to it. Checking in to see how good Harada's chin was and to see José Medel in winning ways. Should be fun!

Rd. JM : FH
1. 9 : 10
2. 9 : 10
3. 9 : 10
4. 10 : 10
5. 10 : 10 (

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Awesome fight. Really impressed with both yet again, I've already seen the rematch and I'm glad Harada set this one right. He showed a really good chin here even if he was stopped in 6. Medel showed some nice skills here too, along with catastrophic, fight-changing power. He really is a master of fighting off the ropes, he also showed good finishing skills, which this trio of greats all seem to have in common.

 

Miguel Canto vs. Shoji Oguma III (4/18/78)
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144-140 Canto (Oguma losing a point in the tenth)

This is my favorite Canto performance. Canto fans might be disappointed by a fight in which his jab isn't that great and he can't pump out quick left-hand combos, but that's part of why I like it. Oguma is just as interested in controlling the distance between them as Canto is (unlike Betulio Gonzalez, for instance), and he's smart and speedy too, so Canto has to find something that works. He ends up doing much of his best scoring with the right hand, both as a sneaky lead and as a counter.

Oguma actually outjabbed Canto early. He had the slight reach advantage and for the first few rounds any jabbing exchange was won by the challenger. Canto had the cleaner single shots but was landing fewer blows, in part because he couldn't really land the jab except as a counter. I gave Oguma 1-4 and Canto 5-7, but there wasn't any momentum swing there. The fight still seemed to be progressing as Oguma liked, with them trading in the center of the ring and Oguma occasionally rushing in and pinning Canto to the ropes with body shots. The shift seemed to come in rounds 8-10. Oguma won round eight handily, as he even out-countered Canto, but Canto caught him a couple of times late. Canto followed that with one of his best rounds, highlighted by a beautiful leaping left hook, and then in the tenth Oguma seemed to get the better of the fighting (the video broke up a bit at this point) but lost a point for butting. After that, Oguma's charges lacked the explosiveness that they'd had in the earlier rounds, and Canto seemed the fresher and faster of the two. He dominated the next two rounds and made Oguma pay for almost every mistake. The last few rounds were close but the champion's work seemed just a bit cleaner.

I wouldn't argue with someone who scored it for Oguma, as there were few decisive rounds, but I do think that overall Canto did the better work. He often gets some stick as a one-handed fighter, but in this one you can see him score just as frequently (maybe even more so) with the right. Fight reports said that Oguma was affected by a cut that he suffered around rounds 9-11, which the lousy VQ didn't make clear, so maybe that accounted for Canto's late surge. If you want to see a legitimate scorecard for this fight, here's how all three judges had each round.

 

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2003-10-04, IBA Super-Featherweight Title
Expecting a fun fight here. Cuts stoppage is pretty meh tho.

Rd. JC : DC
1. 9 : 10
2. 10 : 9
3. 10[-1] : 8
4. 10 : 9
5. 10 : 9 (

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Good movement and straight shots from Casamayor, Chico was pretty sharp but bewildered. He looked like he couldn't understand why wasn't landing or something.

Not hard to score at all, just wanted a prep so I could determine how good Joel was before the FOTF. Ok fight, 3 KDs but it wasn't a crazy brawl or anything.

 

Kid Gavilan vs Billy Graham III

Gavilan - Graham

R1: 10 - 9
What a class opener! Gavilan the aggressor and uppping the work rate on Graham.
R2: 10 - 9
Gavilan trying to pour it on. Sneaky headbutt from Graham near the end then. Well timed
R3: 10 - 10
My God this is getting close! Supreme ability.
R4: 9 - 10
Masterful Boxing.
R5: 10 - 9
Very close action, and possibly a swing round.
R6: 9 - 10
Lots of glancing work due to the skill level. Graham wins on his crisp inside work, and is starting to get the jab down.
R7: 10 - 10
Very close. Graham with the jab and lead, Gavilan working more.
R8: 10 - 9
Gavilan on the jab now; responding with right counters.
R9: 9 - 10
Great action again. Billy more compact.
R10: 9 - 10
Graham rapier sharp this round.
R11: 10 - 9
Very close again!
R12: 9 - 10
Graham with the masterful jab and infighting. He has also made the Keed really respect his power now.
R13: 9 - 10
Graham again more compact and effective with his work.
R14: 9 - 10
Close. Graham's short hooks take this. Great action.
R15: 9 - 10
Great finale!

TOTAL: 145 - 142 GRAHAM

Notes:

• Magnificent, magnificent bout. ATG / Legendary skills is truly an appropriate term here, especially for the criminally forgotten Graham (shout out to @red cobra for being the original appreciator and introducer of Graham for me a long while back!)
• A thinking mans fight, but not boring, with plenty of high class action.
• Graham ultimately won on being the more compact, crisp fighter, especially with his inside work. Gavilan was hitting shoulder and elbows all night.
• Second time watching this, first time scoring. Renowned by hard-cores for it's perceived 'scoring difficulty', it definitely lives up to it IMO.

 

Thank you my man,...I appreciate that!!

 

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1965-11-30, Undisputed BW Title
Official Cards - 74-66, 72-70, 74-65

Rd. FH : AR
1. 10 : 8
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 9 : 10
5. 10 : 9 (49-45)
6. 9. 10
7. 9 : 10
8. 10 : 9
9. 10 : 9
10. 9 : 10 (96-93)
11. 10 : 9
12. 10 : 9
13. 10 : 10
14. 10 : 9
15. 9 : 10 (

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Lots of close, swing rounds and very subjective, especially down the mid-stretch. Harada took a clear early lead(with a KD) and pulled back late. Rudkin, whilst very comfortable didn't manage to make that ground back up and had his chance to seized by Harada over rounds 11-14.

 

Alway

Always interesting to see someone else's take on this fight. Like you say, a lot of subjective rounds. McGrain also said this when he scored it. I might be a bit more bias I don't know but I think what is often neglected when looking at this fights is dad's constant body punching which definitely took it's toll on Harada. The doyen of boxing in Britain at the time was Peter Wilson of the Daily Mirror. He didn't give Harada any of the last 5 rounds from ringside. He said Dad's body punching was cutting him in half. I must say he was a fan of dad because he scored the Harada, Rose and first McGowan fight to him, the Harada and Rose fights by the tightest of margins. He also scored the second Ben Ali to dad by a comfortable margin and called it a load of Barcelona Bull, He wasn't on his own with that judgement as all the British press made dad the winner, and against McGowan. First round is interesting a 5.3 for Harada. Was that really a knockdown? Dad said it wasn't. He didn't even really have a bad round apart from that and it could be that 5.3 created a 3 point sway in the scoring. He boxed well in the second too. I'd say Harada did appear to be throwing the eye catching looping shots but dad's work was a lot tighter with the body shots and short punches on the inside. Harada was a real bully in the ring and liked to pin his opponents on the ropes where he'd whale away. Dad's back might of only touched the ropes only a couple of times in the whole fight as he usually just turned Harada in these situations. I'm not going to argue dad won this fight but it was definitely a lot close than the Japanese judges scored it. I think Nicky Pope actually scored 7 or 8 rounds even. By the way does anybody on here speak Japanese? I'd love to read a transcript of the commentary see how the commentary team at ringside scored it. Harada definitely was a smart fighter, a general. He knew when to coast and when to explode into action. I reckon it's a real quality high level fight with great skills shown from both lads.

 

Hey Al, I'm going to score this later, and I'll definitely keep this in mind. I scored the Gavilan Vs Graham wider than some for Graham, due to similar type of tighter work you mentioned. Hopefully I can give a good scoring account.

 

Look forward to it, whatever way you see it Rough.

 

Rough, this was my score, which I sored on the NY rounds basis

Kid Gavilan - Billy Graham III (NY scoring which was the rounds basis)

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Gavilan
Round 3: Graham
Round 4: Gavilan
Round 5: Gavilan
Round 6: Graham
Round 7: Gavilan
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Graham
Round 10: Graham
Round 11: Graham
Round 12: Graham
Round 13: Even
Round 14: Graham
Round 15: Graham

8-4-3 Graham

Rough, if you scored it on the rounds basis, your score would be 8-5-2 for Graham. We had very similar scores. Taking out our even rounds, which were close swing rounds, we actually only disagreed on two rounds. Not too shabby in a tight 15 rounder.

 

Well, if your score is similar to mine I consider that a success for me, since your scores are always extremely well done.

And this was a tight one. I do not begrudge a tight Gavilan verdict one bit, as @Jel had it.

 

It was definitely a tough one to score - one of those ones where you think 'if the round ends now, I'm not sure who to give it to'... and then the round would end!

 

Guys, I just scored another tough one. The Jose Torres v Eddie Cotton light heavyweight championship contest over 15 rounds. Good quality video, but man, it's like there were so many close rounds on what one is looking for. Here we go, Nevada's 5 point scoring system.

Round 1: 5-4 Torres
Round 2: 5-5 Even
Round 3: 5-4 Torres
Round 4: 5-4 Torres
Round 5: 5-5 Even
Round 6: 5-4 Cotton
Round 7: 5-4 Cotton
Round 8: 5-4 Torres
Round 9: 5-4 Torres
Round 10: 5-4 Cotton
Round 11: 5-4 Torres
Round 12: 5-5 Even
Round 13: 5-4 Cotton
Round 14: 5-5 Even
Round 15: 5-4 Torres

Total: 71-68 Torres

Actual scores: 70-67, 68-67 and 69-67 all for Torres

Cotton had a right to feel like he was jobbed - as he was 40 and had been in the game close to 20 years - but in reality, although a really good effort, I just think he needed to fight with more fire. Whether it wasn't in the tank or it simply wasn't his style, he just came up a bit shy on my score. But having said that, I did have 4 even rounds, which will tell you how close this fight was. I suppose I was more impressed with Torres' punching power in this case rather than the sort of soft-jabbing of Cotton. But Cotton was a canny sort and was good inside, so one has to weigh everything.