1950s Heavy weights underrated?

that's not what I said though is it? You said he was kod by fringe oppenents in the 50s (an out and out lie as usual) and I questioned that claim.

in your honest opinion (if even possible) do you actually think Williams in '59 wouldn't beat Daniels?

 

By using my eyeballs, the same eyeballs that have watched thousands of fighters over the past 40 years. Layne is neither quick of hand or foot. He is not dynamic in any sense. Conversely, Marciano, while not being a specimen, can be dynamic within a short range. Again, eyeballs are important.

 

At least these guys fought! Most of them had 4 or 5 fights a year.

Even Rex Layne, Seamus's favorite boxer, had 8 fights each in years, 1952, 1954 and 1955 and 9 in 1951!

 

That’s not what I asked you. I asked if anyone among the guys Williams actually beat (in the 1950s) were good enough to beat Daniels. That was the point.

 

I think Sonny was certainly regarded as a possible future champion by the second fight he had with Williams. But Sylvester Jones was just a part time guy who only fought a handful of times. He decked Williams in both of their fights I think. it took two fights to beat Jones.. Bob Satterfeild was ripe for the taking. He had been knocked out ten times, was 29 pounds the smaller man and lost sone of his recent fights..bob later scored some upsets but was not considered elite when meeting Williams.

 

Where are you getting that from? The Tampa Morning Tribune just describes Jones being floored twice himself before being counted out.

 

Give him 8 a year in the 70s/80s/90s, I´ll guarantee he´s not going any 4 in the next.

 

Satterfield went on to beat Holman twice Summerlin,Valdes,and Mederos.Fighting for another 3 years and winning16 fights.
Its interesting that Satterfield lost to Layne1951 at the end of that year Satterfield was not ranked,neither had he been ranked at the end of the previous year 1950,nor would he be ranked at the end of the next year 1953, he was ranked in December ,at no 9, in December 1955 he was ranked no7, and in December 1956
2 years after koing Williams he was ranked no6!
Given these stats where is the evidence that,as you stated he,"was ripe for the taking?"And," not considered elite "

If he was it surely follows that he ," was ripe for the taking ,not considered elite," when he was beaten by Layne?

This ridiculous smear campaign you have been relentlessly pursuing against Williams has now reached farcical proportions.You are making bald faced statements that are tantamount to deliberate lies.ENOUGH ALREADY!

 

Who brought the name Williams up? I've never smeared any boxer ,nor have I intentionally posted incorrect information about one.
The best heavies of the 50's were hold overs from the 40's, which tells you all you need to know about the new talent that was coming/not coming through.
How many great heavyweights did the 50's produce?
Marciano, Liston, and arguably Patterson.

 

All I know is there is quite a lot of smearing going on in Rex Layne’s direction yet he is the one who Flattened the guy who knocked Cleveland Williams spark out.

 

Moore was not a great heavyweight,neither were Machen or Folley.

 

Before the steroid era, You could put Moore, Folley and Machen in with contenders of any era and they would still rank as well as they did in the 1950s.