1950s Heavy weights underrated?

Moore was a great light heavy.Ever seen him in a list of top 20 great heavies?

 

are you saying there ever was a decade (before the steroid era)where these guys could not get into the rankings?

Take a look at the 1980s, 1960s... even the 1970s! Are you telling me there was ever a top ten where all of these names could not get in?

 

Nope I'm not saying that ,nice try,I'm saying being ranked in the 1950s was no miraculous achievement.


For once in your life why don't you try approaching something from the front ,honestly and straight forwardly ,instead of trying to sidle round the backside of it and creep in like a ****ing burglar?

 

To be honest with you, Professional boxing being what it is, I think it has always been a miraculous achievement getting ranked in the top ten.

For every fighter from the 1950s (that you think is worthless) I can name one just as obscure from any decade you like that he might beat.

 

"A 25 pound lighter name guy with a bit of mileage left in him was what he needed. He substituted for Charlie Doc Williams." Remember this? These were your exact words. You knew he didn't have a 29 pound weight advantage, you just said that in order to belittle Williams further. My God, do you ever stop lying?

 

In 2 years, He'd lost to Ezzard Charles (no shame in that), and a disputed SD to Charley Doc Williams. I'd hardly call that a fringe opponent.

That's not what you said though. Is it? You said he was knocked out by fringe opponents. So unless he was knocked out by Jones, it's irrelevant.

He was still a name opponent ffs. People knew who he was. He was rated in '53 and '55. You're grasping at straws.

Do you consider Liston a fringe opponent or not? A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

25 pounds, 29 pounds, why should I have to remember these things each time they come up? You think four pounds might have saved Williams?

Twenty five is a lot and so is twenty nine. I guess Anthony Joshua gave away a lot of weight to beat Andy Ruiz too. Why would I even need intentionally exaggerate when the weight difference is still colossal?

You are so out of your depth here that your trying to trip me up with inconsequential pedantic facts?

 

No.

He was a future champion moving into the ranks. At the time he was on the cusp of things. Bottom of the top ten.

 

You are so obsessed with Williams to the point of bringing him up out of nowhere numerous times to belittle him that I refuse to believe you forgot anything about him. It's more likely to me that you intentionally lied in an attempt to belittle Williams more. Especially knowing your rep.

Out of my depth? You are the one being exposed for talking out of your ass, posting things that are incorrect at best, but most likely flat out lies. You're a joke and everyone on this thread is ripping you to pieces.

 

So with the exception of Liston, Williams was only knocked out by Satterfield. So are you ready to admit you were wrong that Williams was knocked out by fringe opponents (plural)?

 

The guy never beat anyone in the top ten from 46 fights in the whole decade. But He lost 3 times, twice by knockout in the only live fights he had.

1959, Liston was a good 23-1 prospect. Bob was hot and cold name journeyman. Lost his last fight. Jones a non entity.

safe to say Williams was a fringe guy at best himself that decade.

 

He was a fringe guy on paper, but he was the one that nobody wanted any part of, if you get my meaning!

 

Yes I think the losses to Liston opened things up for him in the next decade.

however I am not sure when exactly Williams might have been ready to meet good guys and good enough to beat them anytime in the 1950s.

Williams was heavily backed. He had a lot of learning fights before losing on a Marciano undercard. And that guy wasn’t anything.

Williams rebuilt. He wasn’t ready to fight anyone decent until he met Satterfield. After that he was away two years. He rebuilt again with pointless quick wins. and wasn’t ready to meet anyone decent until Liston.

1960s is another matter.

 

Another attempt to put words in my mouth.Nowhere did I use the term worthless.

You couldn't be honest if your life depended on it!

 

I’m being honest here. Whom among the 1950s guys you named do you think wouldn’t get a ranking in the golden era of the 1970s?