Fighters Who've Influenced Today's Trainers?

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Simply question, really. Fighter's who've influenced trainer's teachings and how(as in which techniques)?

    For mine, I'd pick Bob Fitzsimmons in that his shift is incredibly present, especially among the Eastern European crowds, it's been(for lack of a better word) refined by incorporating it via new angles, along with generally extending its usefulness by using it to switch stances but the basic principles of transferring weight to gain power by carrying the momentum of a combination forward through a shift is still around and thriving. Another is Fitz's "milling", or simply put: "Active Guard". Fitz got it from the bare-knuckle era, the idea was to constantly move your hands, to either offset the opponent's offence. This has been redone today, most guys incorporate this into an actual stance and/or use it with a high guard.

    Freddie Steele is one who's upright stance and lateral footwork is something that is prevalent in guys like Bivol, Usyk, Gvozdyk and other assorted Eastern European fighters.

    Guys like Durán, Tyson, Mayweather, Pep ect used techniques which have been built on, or at least tried to, and these guys have most likely inspired a lotta fighters too. Even if they're simply studied for their economial-ness. Things like Durán's grappling, Tyson's shifts, Pep's footwork or Mayweather's stance, they're all found in today's fight game, be it boxing or MMA.

    Actually, just writing this out I'd say that a lot of this is decent evidence, or at least case-worthy, that "Boxing's evolution" is circular, not linear.

    Oh and mods, since I want a classic forum's perspective can we keep it here?
     
  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Tyson / Cus D'Amato has had a massive influence on Anatoly Lomachenko and, by extension, Vasyl, and the type of movement and combinations he uses. It is especially prevalent in his amateur fights. Tyson is actually Loma's favourite fighter. I'm also sure in my own mind that they have studied Canizales, Pep, and the like. There was also an old soviet fighter who had striking similarities to Loma, but I forget his name.

    Jose Napoles, Sugar Ray Robinson were the fighters Salvador Sanchez mentioned himself explicitly as being the main focus of his boxing study, with his trainer. This is quite noticeable in the movement and some counters used.

    Manny Pacquaio uses similar shifts and combos to the great Flash Elorde. Early on in his career, Pac was put up and mentored by Elorde's (grand?)son, I believe, who saw his talent and knew he would be a star.

    Archie Moore used the old, bare knuckle moves of trainer Hiawatha Gray, and adapted them to gloves, including his famous cross guard.
     
  3. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali took Angelo Dundee from being a good Trainer to being a great one. The way Dundee learned to influence Ali using things like reverse psychology makes fascinating reading.
    Dundee was possibly the only Trainer the young Sugar Ray Leonard could have worked with because by then he had learned so much from his years with Ali.
     
  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Melankomas of Caria inspired basically every defensive fighter who ever lived afterwards!
     
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  5. TheWorstEver(TWE)

    TheWorstEver(TWE) Active Member Full Member

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    Wasn't Bill Miller influenced by Ezzard Charles while training James Toney?
     
  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Possibly, he showed Toney loads of old training footage.

    @Henry Hank
     
  7. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    If you have been wasting your life in boxing gyms long enough, you will recall that there was a whole generation of African American guys in gyms that would trace their boxing lineage one way or the next to Ezzard Charles. I have been fortunate to know two such men and one of them taught me an awful lot about boxing. Now it seems that the association goes back to the Mayweathers.
    Similarly, years ago many Mexican American trainers had a picture of themselves with Julio Cesar Chavez, but for some time now he has been replaced by Juan Manuel Marquez.
     
  8. George Crowcroft

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    That's cuz Ezz is the fooking man!
     
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  9. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Viktor Ageev?
     
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  10. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I'm not sure. I checked footage of him, and I don't think so. But thanks for giving me a lead on it RU.
     
  11. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Don't think this is the guy either, but he has some similarities, but as an orthodox.

    I'm finding loads of cool stuff I never heard of before.

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  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Yup. He spoke of Ezz often.
     
  13. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    No problem...hes probably my favorite Soviet amateur along with Popenchenko
     
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  14. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn’t Abel Sanchez say he built Gennady Golovkin to be a middleweight Chavez
     
  15. TheSmokinCobra

    TheSmokinCobra New Member Full Member

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    Hi. I’m a huge fan of Charles. I would very much appreciate if you would be gracious enough to share what those men said about Charles, both as a fighter and a man, and what they learnt from his style.