Deontay Wilder vs Joe Frazier

Frazier in a cantor. I’m not even giving Wilder a punchers chance anymore due to the stylistic disadvantage he’s at.

Wilder is totally clueless inside and Fury basically leant on him in close instead of battering him up and down (to be fair Tyson did target the body and Deontay did not like it either but nothing like Joe did). Wilder lacks the physicality, work rate, output and sheet physical presence to pull a Foreman on Joe and tonight confirmed this. He’s a literal one trick pony. Great right hand and that’s that.

 

I was also impressed by Fury going to Wilder's body but, as you suggest, Frazier would have had a field-day there. One now has to wonder whether Wilder could compete against a Frazieresque assault.

 

That’s actually the best I’ve seen Fury from an attacking viewpoint tonight. But Frazier’s body attack and inside game is the best and most sustained I’ve seen at Heavyweight and Wilder was basically clueless against Fury’s own lesser version of it. To be fair Tyson was fantastic at range as well but I’d back Joe to work inside and take Wilders only distance comfortably.

That said Fury’s display was a total domination tonight by a huge guy seemingly not in the most fantastic shape. But hey it worked! A great effort by the Gypsy King.

 

You sure know your boxing dude.

 

Reality’s a ***** haha

 

I agree with this 100 percent. He doesn’t throw nearly enough punches for a guy who’s supposed to be in shape. Once fighters like Joe or Rocky or Tyson get inside it’s night night

 

So I guess it's safe to say that since a 6'8, 270 man wore out Wilder by bullying him and leaning on him, he'd have no chance against 5'10, 205 pound Frazier. It's settled.

 

Keep grasping.

Your man got ****ing exposed. Low output, can’t defend himself properly, **** jab, no inside game whatsoever. Yeah guys like him just excell against guys like Frazier.

But but but he’s taller and Foreman did it too. Gtfoh.

 

I don’t know why you’re arguing with me. We’re in total agreement.

270 pound, 6’8 man does it to Wilder to make it 0-1-1 for him.

225 pound, 6’4 man does it twice to Frazier.

This clearly shows that Frazier would bully Wilder around the ring. In fact, he’d do the same to Fury.

 

I think we all know that answer now. No more Wilder vs All time greats, please.

 

If Wilder was more ring savy and had a good uppercut to keep Frazier off him so he could get space to land his right hand I’d pick him to beat Frazier, but Wilder instead likes fighting off the back foot and doesn’t protect his body or chin enough for me to see Wilder ever getting enough space for his right hand to be a threat.

Frazier would be on Wilder like a second skin from the start of the fight.

 

Due to that back foot idiosyncracy you mentioned of Wilder's, I'm kind of doubting his chances against Foreman...both prime and mid-90s, to be honest. How could Deontay handle Foreman with the way he fights? Before this last fight (granted, it may be a fluke) I though Deontay would be a bit like Lyle against George...now I kind of doubt it.

Would Deontay last even as long as Norton did against Big George? He certainly hit much harder (though Norton wasn't exactly a joke in that dept).

 

Fraser took punches to land his punches, which I see as his downfall here. Just go watch Ali 1, Quarry 1, Ellis 1 and Foreman fights to see this. Wilder is faster and more concussive than Foreman imo. Foreman was stronger and much better inside ofcourse. It's sheerly a styles thing here.

 

Talking about having to eat his words..... I've told the world from the 1st time he came on
the scene and I saw him Wilder can't fight. Last night exposure of him was inevitable. Fury did
nothing special. He just controlled the center of the ring behind his jab, forced Wilder to actually
do something he couldn't do, step to a side, fight from a defensive posture. Wilders telegraphed
punches became even more readable and Fury was able to avoid them easily as the fight went on.
Fury isn't a pressure fighter,and he isn't good on the inside,Fury only proved Wilder is much worse.

Imagine what a real pressure fighter like Frazier or Tyson would've done to him. Wilder wouldn't
get past 3 rds with either of them. Wilder only hits hard coming forward. He reminds me of of a local
fighter who's biggest claim to fame was he cut Ali sparring when Ali was on his very last legs as
a fighter. Same big right hand and good going forward style. (The fighter was Jeff Sims) But
Sims could use the jab effectively . If Wilder fought during that era, that's who he would've been,
Jeff Sims..... Somebody's sparring partner.