So Is Fury King At Heavyweight For Beating Wilder, Or A Bumkiller & The Win Means Nothing? Pick One.

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OP is right. Gave fury credit. No need to put wilder down to prop up fury

 

Teddy atlas is a hype man, wilder hits hard but but in history... come on there is a reason Wilder was matched so carefully.

 

Well I agree with you here. A lot of hyperventilating about Wilder's power from Atlas and Kellerman. But you have to agree it is, or was, a fearful weapon. Anyone getting in there with Wilder has to be aware of the right hand.

 

This. Wilder is garbage.

 

It's inevitable after a fight like this the winner's stock goes too high and the losers too low.

Most of the fighters we now think of as great have lost somewhere down the line. It's part of the game.

Wilder's power and toughness still make him a threat to anyone.

You couldn't watch that fight last night and not be impressed with Wilder's toughness. He was not looking for a way out.

He missed a couple of big right hands early by probably an inch where they landed but not full force. That punch to the ear probably did impact his equilibrium.

Full props to Fury but it's not like Wilder is now a bum and trash. He is still a threat.

 

There is a 3rd option....... they're both bums and would get whooped by Povetkin and Uysk with ease. LOL

Excellent perspective of the fight. You make perfect sense, when you say, critisizing Wider diminishes Fury's win.

 

Three belts that were collected after Fury scattered them around following him ending Wlad's 22 fights winning streak and his very long domination.

Fury is the HW champion of the world, Joshua is his #1 challenger.

 

Definitely his power is very good a great equalizer but historically he just Ko'd C-D level opponents so it is hard for me to rate his power as " the hardest ever" when he has fought one top tier opponent and his power couldn't get the job done.

 

He was stripped of the titles after pissing hot, ducking his contractual rematch, and going into retirement for two years. Joshua started a new lineage when he beat Wlad much more impressively than Fury had and we've been in his reign now for the last three years, minus the Ruiz hiccup.

 

How do you exactly start a lineage by beating a 41 year old man who hadn't won a fight in 2 years and was coming off of a long lay off? The championship had been vacant ever since Fury disappeared, until yesterday where he proved his superiority once again.

 

Wilder is still #2 in the division. AJ beating Ruiz doesn't change that.

 

I’ve been a Wilder basher on here for years, or as I see it a Wilder realist. I have never thought highly of him and had made it well known how suspicious I was of his career, and how protected I thought he was. He strategically avoided all the tough fights - no Wlad, Povetkin, Pulev, Joshua etc. and I felt he only took on Fury because he looked bad in his comeback and is not a big puncher.
Having said all that I was impressed with Fury, my assessment aside many people were extremely high on Wilder, just this week I saw numerous experts pick him to win. Far more than those who had chosen Fury. I saw articles claiming he was the hardest puncher in heavyweight history surpassing both Foreman and Mike Tyson. Espn had two articles one claiming he was a super hero and another saying it was the return of the great American heavyweight. So I felt as if I could be wrong on him, that so many of these people see something I don’t perhaps I was on the wrong side of this case. I see now I was not, Fury outboxed him completely in the first bout and then bullied and outbrawled perhaps the greatest puncher in HW history, not my words, but the words of many in the return bout.
Fury thrashed him in two completely different styles. That is impressive because as bad as Wilder is - his punch and more importantly his length does pose problems.
Massive win for Fury considering where he came from, the magnitude and pressure of the fight and being the underdog. He crushed Wilder.

 

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@CST80
This is a bit of a long rant but I will try and answer as best as I can as I see it.
I have had to cut bits of your posting due to over 10000 characters but did originallly copy it all in

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I dont think Wilder is a bum at all. Far from, but also dont think he fought some of the top HWs that have been around during his reign, whether that be down to himself or for other reasons.
When a challenger, Wilder didnt contest a world title against the main man of the division at that time (W Klitschko) but fought Stiverne for his title.
When Fury walked in the ring to challenge Wilder after Wilders win of Szpilka. That was the then world HW champ putting calling him out, saying he would travel to America to face him, but I only recall Wilder when questioned after talking about the then Povetkin fight that was due.
Wilder didnt face Povetkin after that. I dont know the full ins and outs of this one and have read various things that other posters have written but dont know the full reasons and findings with Povetkin. Either way that fight didnt happen and Wilder fought Arreola who was not on a great run at that time.
During Wilders reign there have been other rival belt holders in W Klitschko, A Joshua, J Parker, C Martin and some other decent HWs like Povetkin, Pulev, Whyte, Haye where these fights didnt happen for whatever reason.
Consider that Joshua who has had around half the amount of fights as Wilder and has fought all of those bar Haye and Pulev who he is facing next.
I know people can point to Wilder facing Ortiz, which can be argued either way as a good win, but except for possibly Martin, I think the other fighters listed above have arguably a better resume than Ortiz and all could I think possibly be argued to have a greater win in their resumes than Wilder has on his resume
No I dont think Wilder is a bum and would not refer to a fighter who puts their health on the line in any such way. Wilder has beaten several decent HWs and scored a large amount of inside schedule wins but has not had some of the fights that perhaps some of the other HWs have had.

I think another thing is that Wilder had a long run before fighting for a title
Wilder had 32 fights before he first challenged for a world title where other HWs often step up sooner even if not always a world title fight for example undefeated prospects facing off like undefeated Fury and undefeated Chisora, undefeated Joshua and undefeated Whyte, undefeated Dubois and undefeated Gorman, soon there looks to be undefeated Dubois and undefeated Joyce facing off.

In many ways I felt Wilder had been managed very well to a title and in defences and think a fighter like D Price may have gone further with the same longer road rather than in his 16th fight facing such an experienced opponent.
I think sometimes the constant stress of one big fight after another can effect a fighter and think it may have affected and emotionally exhausted Joshua.
With that said above, I think Wilder can come back and be involved in some big fights if he chooses but I think the invincibility of an 0 counts for alot.

Now you say it took Fury to do it, but as said above Wilder didnt have some of the other fights and think it would be hard to guess how some of them may have gone


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You indicated yourself that you think Fury looked to have done enough to have won the first fight. I thought Fury was a clear winner. Had the judges scored to Fury we would already be saying Wilder had lost but its that power of an 0 that I mentioned above.
Remember at that time Fury had lost a massive amount of weight which would likely have weakened him. When fighters lose alot of weight they often get knocked down and often out. History has shown that.
Fury was back adjusted after his lay off I believe. Remember there were posts saying Fury wasnt looking good in his fights prior to the Wilder fight


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Im not sure about that. Remember before the first Wilder fight, there were people saying he needed to have Peter back and he boxed great with what was then a newer trainer than his previous one and I think he had worked with this current trainer previously.


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I make no secret that I rate Fury highly, and have thought of him as the top HW of his era. At this moments time of typing I would favour Fury over Joshua and although I would rate Fury above Joshua at the moment, I could see every argument for people to put Joshua above Fury due to the bulk of the wins and title defences.
I would at the time of their rematch have had Joshua rated above Wilder. People get wrapped up in an 0 or title belt, but Joshua in fewer fights had fought overall at a higher level to Wilder imo overall.
What I wrote earlier in that I dont think Wilder had any wins as good as W Klitschko, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, Ruiz. But to reiterate that does not mean that I didnt think he wasnt a top HW, but felt that there were other HWs without a title and arguably a greater singular win or possibly comparable overall resume


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Why do you think it was the best version of Fury?
Fury came in with a plan to be as heavy as he was but I dont think was as fast as he has been.
Are you thinking it was the best version of Fury due to the Wilder win?


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As said, although I dont think Wilder or any other fighter is a bum, I dont agree with what you are saying because even if people were saying such cruel things, Fury clearly beat Wilder in a fashion that would you would expect to see from fighters at vastly different levels.

For the record, and you can check my history. I picked for Fury to beat Wladimir on points.
Picked for Fury to beat Wilder on points in their first fight and picked for Fury to win inside schedule of the return. I felt the weights of both fighters would be a deciding factor