How many welterweights survive the shot SSM landed on PBF in R2?

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Who shakes off that shot?

  1. < 1% of welters.

    33.3%
  2. ~ 10% of welters.

    33.3%
  3. ~ 25% of welters.

    25.0%
  4. ~50 of welters.

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    0.0%
  5. > half of welters.

    8.3%
  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    10% i think danny garcia could have taken it of the current welter weights right now.
     
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  2. kirk

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    Just imo. From the last few eras not gonna go back into the 90s.

    Probably only

    Hoya.
    Margarito.
    A prime, welterweight, Mayorga.
    Possibly a younger Danny Garcia.

    Your point is spot on imo. His chin is underrated and that its what is on the other end of such a phenomenal defense, makes the task of stopping him an almost futile one.
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Which shot, the first overhand right that stunned Mayweather or the second looping right hand 8 seconds later that buckled Floyd's knees?
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Honestly either, both were corkers, but I meant the first.
     
  5. Brixton Bomber

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    Mayweather had a lot less miles on the clock though.

    Moseley was past it.
     
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  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    The question is who could survive that shot at WW. Since the 90s there are more fighters than the ones you listed who could survive the shot and stay up.

    The ones you listed though are the only fighters at 147 I see who could walk through the punch without even getting stunned.
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Margarito did, like a 1000 times.
     
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  8. Somali Sanil

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    Oh, of all welters !!! I thought it was a rough idea at world level, even then its probably off a little. 5%, its not up there but **** it
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Nah. Mayweather started boxing at the age of 7. He was 33½ when he fought Ortiz coming off a fifteen month layoff - that's 26 years on the odometer.

    Mosley took it up at 8, and was 38½ when he fought Mayweather coming off a fifteen month layoff - 30 years in the sport for him. Just four more than Mayweather.

    Shane had boxed about 350 rounds professionally heading into the Mayweather fight. Floyd had boxed about 300 rounds.

    Mosley had "more miles" on the clock, but I wouldn't characterize Floyd as having "a lot less". Unless you're talking way back in the amateurs (Mosley had 266 bouts compared to Mayweather's 92) - but that was in the headgear era; besides, they were both pretty dominant and neither took many beatings in the amateurs, if the point here is to hone in on cumulative wear 'n' tear.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    In fairness Floyd was already getting up there in age during this fight too.

    But this was a 40 year old Mosley. If a 28 year old Mosley lands this same shot I guarantee Floyd is going to have to walk through hell and back to stay up on his feet. He may even need to find some reserves to finish the damn round.

    Mosley in his prime before he got to 154 was no joke and not a fighter you should take lightly.

    Shame he never fought Mosley in his prime. Because it would have been by far (nothing even comes close) the toughest assignment of his career.
     
  11. Brixton Bomber

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    1) You have way too much time on your hands.

    2) Doesn’t matter who took what up when.

    Shane had been in more wars than Mayweather and wasn’t in his prime when he met Floyd. Floyd hadn’t been in much danger and was still in his prime.
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    All due respect to Floyd and Toney they fall far short of GOAT discussions, comparisons, greatness.

    In order to build a resume for GOAT type acclaim you must identify a fighter who is operating at an unfathomable and extraordinary high level and fight them in their prime. Then you have to beat that fighter.

    Toney had his chance with Jones Jr. He failed thoroughly. For Mayweather the opportunity never came.

    So we give them their due as ATG fighters. But are they a Roberto Duran or Ali? Absolutely no.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

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    Exactly. He was only 5½ years Shane's junior, and had debuted in the pros just three years after him.

    Ehh, don't go inflating to exaggerate your point now. He was 38...and Floyd, again, like you acknowledged up above, was 33.

    Idk, man - power's, famously, the "last to go". There's a reason Shannon Briggs was taken semi-seriously contending even into middle-age. It sure wasn't because of his skills, know what I mean? :sisi1

    I'm not sure that wide a gulf exists between his 28yo power and 40yo power. Now, if you're talking speed and reflexes - hell yes, Shane was most of the way shot by 2010.

    But pure punching power? Ehh...was likely comparable to what it'd been. (at least at welter...and he was already fighting at welter at 28, in late 1999 ;))

    Absolutely agree - and the lightweight version, despite not hanging around all that long or accomplishing anything significant - is probably among the scariest h2h beasts to ever lace up in the 135lb division. And that's an original eight division, mind you, with LOADS of p4p-tier history and tradition! So I don't say that lightly...

    The welter Shane wasn't as fearsome as the LW, but still a clear h2h ATG. (though he did have a perfect foil that had his number, in the underrated Vernon Forrest).

    Dream fight. Probably makes my top ten list of "if I had a time machine" match-ups at welterweight.

    I don't disagree. If he won it would be another controversial fight haunting Floyd for his entire career, where some (like with JLC I and Maidana I) just remain convinced he should've lost.
     
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  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I didn't call either the GOAT. I said they were perfectly engineered to be pure efficiency boxers. And they were. More so than Ali, or Durán, or many other guys who are greater than both of them.
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Mosley put him through the meat-grinder but I don't think he loaded up on any single shot quite like that one in my OP, simply because he didn't need to. That was a desperation bomb against Floyd. Antonio stood in front of him and took every lump Shane fed him, like a whipped cur. There was no need to go maximum force on any single blow, because he was landing anything and everything he wanted.