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So Is Fury King At Heavyweight For Beating Wilder, Or A Bumkiller & The Win Means Nothing? Pick One.

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Fine, you choose Option B then, Fury gets no credit for it.
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Fury has to beat Joshua to be the king of the division. And vice versa.

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Fury is the best Heavyweight in the world, period.

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Do you remember the Vitali-Chisora post fight when Haye told Chisora "You lost to tyson fury" as an insult?
'You lost three times in a row, you lost to Tyson Fury!!"

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Beating Klitschko made him 'the man' & Wilder was the cherry on top. I picked Fury to beat Wilder both times but I must admit he exceeded my expectations last night.. I like most have given Wilder **** & rightly so.. but regardless of his limitations he's a freak generational talent POWER wise.. undeniable that.. & Fury murked him to claim the WBC & ring belt (one of only 3 HWs in history I believe to RECLAIM the belt).. Is Wilder shyte? Yes. Fury showed his calibre versus an ATG already though.. an ageing one admittedly but still a great win IMO

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Okay all of the Wilder haters, you've all finally gotten your wish, Wilder finally lost. Good for you, I hope you all feel a lot better. I'm sure it probably felt like it was some epic cosmic orgasmic burst like release, a weight lifting off of your shoulders. But here's the big BUT.... it didn't come at the hands of a waddling tubster, it didn't come at the hands of one of the countless "tin cans" or "past it" fighters most of you picked to "expose" Wilder. When it finally happened.

It took the guy who schooled Wladimir ****ing Klitschko to finally do it.

It took the LINEAL HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION to do it.

It took the BEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF THIS ERA to do it.

Now let's all sit back and watch in amazement as we see all of the flat out stupid and deranged maniacs gloat and **** all over Fury's second best or possibly best win, by saying Wilder was "exposed" this proves he was the "bum" we always said he was! Therefore completely undermining this momentous victory of Fury's in the process.

I mean, if Wilder is such trash, I guess this win doesn't mean **** right? If Wilder is a bum, so that means Fury just beat a bum. Means nothing.

Pointless win, he deserves no credit for it whatsoever right? The logic used by you ****ing idiots is shocking.

Or is it this, Wilder was a lot better than you all have claimed he was for the last goddamned decade, and it took Fury not one, but two tries to finally pull it off. Yeah, Fury probably did enough to win the first fight, but he did **** up and manage to get dropped not once, but twice. That really mattered, and no, they weren't 10-9 rounds, Fury didn't do enough to even them up. That was a Fury doing what FURY DOES. Slickly schooling off the backfoot, yet Wilder found the target and detonated. Therefore putting the option of the judges scoring it a draw on the table. After all, he did win three rounds, all he needed was to nick two others.

So Fury had to go off, hire a new trainer and come to this fight completely reinvented, ultra aggressive front foot heavy killing machine version of Fury. Why did he need to do that? Was he not confident fighting the other way? Whatever it was, he felt the need to change his style. Part of that had to do with him feeling the need to score a KO, but part of it came from not wanting to risk what happened in the first fight happening again.

That's a hell of a lot to put yourself through to beat some one dimensional bum.

Good for Fury he won, just because I'm pointing out that Wilder's balance was compromised by a bloody ear, that doesn't mean I'm taking credit away from Fury, after all, Fury bloodied up his ear. Merely stating a fact, Fury's tactic worked, with the bonus of ****ing his ear up, that contributed to Wilder not being able to sit down on his punches or barely able to stand up. It is what it is. This is boxing, that's how the mop flops.

Fury deserves full credit for going in there LIKE A ****ING MAN! And taking the fight to the biggest puncher in the sport and the man who came with in a hair of KOing him twice in the first fight.

Goddammit, that's how you do it. Not lose a ton of weight and run like a little girl because you're scared if you stand still the big bad fat man will clobber you senseless again.

Fury took on one of the Big 3, and even though it took him two times, he has a decisive win over him, which puts him head and shoulders above AJ and Wilder. And why is that? Because he beat one of the hardest to beat Heavyweights in the sport, that's why. Maybe a skill less one with terrible footwork. But one that has beaten everyone up until now, with one of the most dangerous equalizers in the sport. But also one that has no quit in him, a hell of a heart, and a damn good chin, Fury couldn't even straight up KO put away a bloodied up, bloody eared, in all likelihood concussed BADLY COMPROMISED version of Wilder. That's how tough Wilder is.

How about this? Wilder is better than most of you thought, and it took the absolute best version of Fury we've ever seen to decisively beat him?

Now doesn't that make this win feel better? Doesn't it make this win matter more? Doesn't that make Fury The KING?

But fine, go back to saying Fury is a beast and the GOAT, for exposing a bum. Which makes zero sense. But that's to be expected from self sabotaging loons that don't think before they speak.

Fury's biggest fans are invalidating his claim to an an ATG, by undermining one of his top two wins. It's genuinely jarring.

Try Going with Option A: Fury IS King At Heavyweight For Beating Wilder Next Time.
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Liquorice said: ↑

Beating Klitschko made him 'the man'
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That's when british fans jumped on the Fury bandwagon, before that they used to make fun of the big fat goof and pinned all their hopes on bodybuilder Joshua.

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Wilders talent, heart, speed and power are impressive and certainly not bum level. I think his training attitude and "team" have let him and his career down. Ultimately let America down, if he was actually mentored and trained right he couldve been litterally a beast!

I hope he comes back and finishes his career on a high however; he doesn't beat Fury.

Fury is the best of this generation no doubt. Would give Lewis a run for his money too, I say that as an AJ and a LL fan...

CST80 said: ↑

Okay all of the Wilder haters, you've all finally gotten your wish, Wilder finally lost. Good for you, I hope you all feel a lot better. I'm sure it probably felt like it was some epic cosmic orgasmic burst like release, a weight lifting off of your shoulders. But here's the big BUT.... it didn't come at the hands of a waddling tubster, it didn't come at the hands of one of the countless "tin cans" or "past it" fighters most of you picked to "expose" Wilder. When it finally happened.

It took the guy who schooled Wladimir ****ing Klitschko to finally do it.

It took the LINEAL HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION to do it.

It took the BEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF THIS ERA to do it.

Now let's all sit back and watch in amazement as we see all of the flat out stupid and deranged maniacs gloat and **** all over Fury's second best or possibly best win, by saying Wilder was "exposed" this proves he was the "bum" we always said he was! Therefore completely undermining this momentous victory of Fury's in the process.

I mean, if Wilder is such trash, I guess this win doesn't mean **** right? If Wilder is a bum, so that means Fury just beat a bum. Means nothing.

Pointless win, he deserves no credit for it whatsoever right? The logic used by you ****ing idiots is shocking.

Or is it this, Wilder was a lot better than you all have claimed he was for the last goddamned decade, and it took Fury not one, but two tries to finally pull it off. Yeah, Fury probably did enough to win the first fight, but he did **** up and manage to get dropped not once, but twice. That really mattered, and no, they weren't 10-9 rounds, Fury didn't do enough to even them up. That was a Fury doing what FURY DOES. Slickly schooling off the backfoot, yet Wilder found the target and detonated. Therefore putting the option of the judges scoring it a draw on the table. After all, he did win three rounds, all he needed was to nick two others.

So Fury had to go off, hire a new trainer and come to this fight completely reinvented, ultra aggressive front foot heavy killing machine version of Fury. Why did he need to do that? Was he not confident fighting the other way? Whatever it was, he felt the need to change his style. Part of that had to do with him feeling the need to score a KO, but part of it came from not wanting to risk what happened in the first fight happening again.

That's a hell of a lot to put yourself through to beat some one dimensional bum.

Good for Fury he won, just because I'm pointing out that Wilder's balance was compromised by a bloody ear, that doesn't mean I'm taking credit away from Fury, after all, Fury bloodied up his ear. Merely stating a fact, Fury's tactic worked, with the bonus of ****ing his ear up, that contributed to Wilder not being able to sit down on his punches or barely able to stand up. It is what it is. This is boxing, that's how the mop flops.

Fury deserves full credit for going in there LIKE A ****ING MAN! And taking the fight to the biggest puncher in the sport and the man who came with in a hair of KOing him twice in the first fight.

Goddammit, that's how you do it. Not lose a ton of weight and run like a little girl because you're scared if you stand still the big bad fat man will clobber you senseless again.

Fury took on one of the Big 3, and even though it took him two times, he has a decisive win over him, which puts him head and shoulders above AJ and Wilder. And why is that? Because he beat one of the hardest to beat Heavyweights in the sport, that's why. Maybe a skill less one with terrible footwork. But one that has beaten everyone up until now, with one of the most dangerous equalizers in the sport. But also one that has no quit in him, a hell of a heart, and a damn good chin, Fury couldn't even straight up KO put away a bloodied up, bloody eared, in all likelihood concussed BADLY COMPROMISED version of Wilder. That's how tough Wilder is.

How about this? Wilder is better than most of you thought, and it took the absolute best version of Fury we've ever seen to decisively beat him?

Now doesn't that make this win feel better? Doesn't it make this win matter more? Doesn't that make Fury The KING?

But fine, go back to saying Fury is a beast and the GOAT, for exposing a bum. Which makes zero sense. But that's to be expected from self sabotaging loons that don't think before they speak.

Fury's biggest fans are invalidating his claim to an an ATG, by undermining one of his top two wins. It's genuinely jarring.

Try Going with Option A: Fury IS King At Heavyweight For Beating Wilder Next Time.
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Fury has to beat Joshua to be the king of the division. And vice versa.
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Yeah nah I don't see it. Fury beat decisively beat Klitschko while Klitschko was on a huge huge run of success, and has now beaten Wilder who was also on a huge unbeaten run and now had some very credible wins on his resume. Whoever was the first to beat Wilder, Fury or AJ I feel had a legit claim to being the top dog - and Fury did it in decisive style. AJ may be good enough, but Fury is THE man to beat, so to become the man he kinda has to beat the man.

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Tyson Fury already secured his ATG status by going 1-1-0 vs Deontay Wilder, all blemishes due to Tyson Fury, very few Heavyweights will have a formidable undefeated reigning champion in his prime. Not just any ATG Heavyweight Deontay Wilder is the closest living human to the hypothesized Pugilistic Ubermensch

Highest KO Ratio of any Heavyweight champion

Equaled Muhammad Ali longest consecutive title defenses

Still in his peak & improving (meaning status will only increase)

Its very risky to take on big threats, but its worth it. Cautious boxers lose big on this ATG top facet by focusing a lot on the risk of losing
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David Haye had a broken toe that was bruised and swollen. He was unable to fire power punches off and had poor balance as a result. David haye never had these balance problem in his previous fights. Everyone laughed at him

Wilder had a cut in his ear. The doctors and his trainer are saying that he had no ruptured eardrum. People blamed this cut for his poor balance despite that fact that Wilder has tripped over his own feet in many of his past fights. It's being used as a legitimate reason for not being able to fight back.

Looks like a big double standard to me.

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This win was his best win. Fury won 10 rounds to 2 in the first, won by KO in the rematch! Fury trained the best way he could. He kept the judges out of the fight!

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Fury said he was going to take it to Wilder. He also said he didnt want it to go to the judges.

Fury called Wilder a bum and thats what he made him look like and his convincing win of the former champ.

I feel sorry for Wilder but you win some, you lose some.

Fury needs to beat AJ to become undisputed king.

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Fury is the king of heavyweights and he holds a lot of advantages. Not only does he have size and a superior reach to nearly every other heavyweight - but he moves better and has a higher boxing IQ. No surprise Fury is doing what he is doing. Great effort to get the KO though. If he continues to add this approach to his skill set then he is going to be extremely hard to beat. AJ matches up against Fury better than Wilder did IMO, but Fury will still have multiple ways to defeat AJ. Not sure anyone gets near Fury. He may retire undefeated.

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eltirado said: ↑

Tyson Fury already secured his ATG status by going 1-1-0 vs Deontay Wilder, all blemishes due to Tyson Fury, very few Heavyweights will have a formidable undefeated reigning champion in his prime. Not just any ATG Heavyweight Deontay Wilder is the closest living human to the hypothesized Pugilistic Ubermensch

Highest KO Ratio of any Heavyweight champion

Equaled Muhammad Ali longest consecutive title defenses

Still in his peak & improving (meaning status will only increase)

Its very risky to take on big threats, but its worth it. Cautious boxers lose big on this ATG top facet by focusing a lot on the risk of losing
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Your boxing hero just got his **** pushed in and absolutely dominated by a guy who got taken the distance by Wallin (Who?) and you still have the temerity to compare Wilder to Ali. Put the crack pipe down and just admit that you and your like massively overrated Wilder and massively under estimated Fury.

Once again, blinded by the power when anyone with half a brain knows that throughout history, the elite boxer very nearly always defeats the elite puncher. Yes, Wilder is an ELITE puncher but has barely average for world level, boxing fundamentals.
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