Did AJ or Wilder perform better on their first lost?

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  1. PistonHondai

    PistonHondai Member Full Member

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    Did AJ or Wilder perform better on their first lost? There seems to be many similarities in the AJ vs Ruiz 1 and Wilder vs Fury 2 fight. AJ got a concussion from Ruiz’ counter and lost his legs after. Wilder got his eardrum busted and also lost his legs after. Both fights ended round 7. They both were surprised and upset about the ref’s stoppage. Who did better or worst?
     
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  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    AJ did better with the knockdown but Wilder showed more guts.. So who knows.
     
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  3. Oneirokritis

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    On balance, I would have to say Wilder. Although Joshua got a knockdown, he effectively gave up when Andy put it on him; whereas Wilder, although he was outclassed and got a pasting from the opening bell from Fury, dug deep and kept going.

    I get the impression that had his corner not thrown the towel in, and with Kenny Bayless seemingly reticent to stop the fight, Wilder would've kept going until Tyson put him away for the full 10 count.
     
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  4. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think so too. Wilder has great power but after the fight last night and some of his other fights it almost looks like his power is so great and his delivery of that power is so devatasting it got him further than maybe he should have gone as champion. He looks very limited at times. Maybe working the body might have helped him get some momentum.
     
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  5. kirk

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    AJ.

    AJ had plenty of good moments in the fight.

    Wilder got absolutely decimated and lost practically every second of every round.

    Not sure how this is even debatable or a question.

    Only positive thing Wilder has over AJ in their losses is even Wilder haters have to admit he showed a true warriors heart to the very end, with a passionate response to the stoppage, whereas people love to say, mistakingly, that AJ 'quit'.

    Other than that though, AJ of course performed better.
     
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  6. UFC2020

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    Lol Wilder faced the more superior opponent, there is no disgrace at all to losing to the one and only Tyson Fury. AJ got ***** slapped by Fatty.
     
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  7. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    why do nearly all Wilder sympathizers start or end sentences with “lol”? Are you 10?
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    He had one good moment, and lost the rest of the match and decisively. Getting dropped four times in the process. And against Andy Ruiz who was coming in on late notice. Granted, you and I picked Ruiz to win, regardless, losing to an incredibly motivated well prepared man possessed version of Fury in a rematch is less of a big deal than losing to a hoping for the best Ruiz the first time around.

    Wilder, busted eardrum or not, he had balance issues either due to a concussion or just a clogged up ear from all the blood, that's more than enough to keep someone off balance. What was AJ's excuse? Wilder wanted to keep fighting, but he couldn't sit down on his shots at all, he went four rounds out on his feet and was pissed when the ref stopped it. AJ's eyes were pleading to the ref, "save me, I'm so embarrassed" and "what's happening to me?"

    Also 4 heavy knockdowns for AJ, one heavy knockdown for Wilder, the other one was a balance issue.
     
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  9. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Both pretty poor tbh but I think AJ got caught cold in a fight he was coasting and didn't recover..

    Ruiz's pitty patter couldn't really get AJ out of there so the ref waved it off..

    Wilder was pretty much beaten up like a scool yard bully who ran into the bullied's big brother from the first bell. He took his beating like a man but was beaten far worse, although by a far far better boxer than AJ faced..
     
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  10. kirk

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    Idk man... not sure what to say. I think its pretty self evident that AJ had the better moments in his loss. I dont even think its close. He wasnt even in trouble until into the third round. Fury was bossing Wilder from the onset.

    Wilder literally has nothing... nothing in the Fury fight thats positive, other than showing heart.

    Sorry but for me, showing heart while losing every.single.minute. on his way to getting stopped by someone whose not hitting him as hard or as fast as AJ was getting hit, isnt enough for me to rank his performance as a whole, over an AJs performance that saw him arguably win rounds and even put Ruiz down in.

    I genuinely dont even see this as close. AJ did the objectively better work in the fight, regardless of how people think AJ looked or didnt look mentally and emotionally.

    We dont agree on this. No biggie.
     
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  11. kiwi_boxer

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    So going off your original post RE Wilders great show of heart and Joshuas lack of heart you just proved that theory wrong.

    Like you said, you can’t have it both ways...

    4 heavy knockdowns and carried on until the ref waved it off. This proves Joshua has heart! He also fought back during that time, trading in the process.

    Wilder had 2 legit knockdowns and spent the rest of the time flailing for the floor, getting more time when at least one of those should have been a knockdown, as he couldn’t hold himself up. How many shots did Wilder return on Fury from rounds 4-7?

    You’re better than this CST, leave the agenda driven fanboys to fight this fight.
     
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  12. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    100% agree KIRK

    I have absolutely no idea how this is up for debate... Wilder looked terrible from the outset.

    Since when has ‘heart’ counted towards your performance? It’s sure as hell not going to help him in a rematch.

    Also, heart is subjective...

    I think Joshua fought valiantly to try and drop Ruiz again while out on his feet round after round. Wilder on the other hand went into his shell and threw next to nothing.

    That bs about Joshua quitting is on par with Wilder flailing on the floor round after round because it was easier than getting tagged.
     
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  14. Brighton bomber

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    AJ clearly did better. He won the early rounds and then dropped Ruiz with a brutal 3 punch combo, when did Wilder even land a combo? Plus even after he was dropped he still got it together enough to win round 5 on all the judges scorecards.

    Wilder in comparison clearly lost the first, you could make an argument he maybe won the 2nd but it could of been scored either way and then was dropped and never got back into the fight and never was able to hurt Fury like Joshua did vs Ruiz, he just got gradually beat down.

    But to be fair to Wilder, Fury is clearly superior to Ruiz Jr.
     
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    Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz I
    Anthony Joshua the 8:1 Favorite with the KO power you will expect of a 6'06" Muscular Gold Medalist, he dropped the shorter Andy Ruiz As expected, then got hurt & his mind-body reacted like a normal person does when hurt

    Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury II
    Deontay Wilder came into the fight as the underdog, he was caught clean by the taller, bigger Kronked favorite Undefeated lineal heavyweight Tyson Fury. Deontay Wilder badly injured, out-balanced & with blood pouring out of his skull, kept fighting to defend his ego risking his own life, a noble display of grandiose bravery that peasants-normal people & definitely failed Narcissists are not capable of.
     
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