Fury V Wilder 3

I'd call them haters moreso than idiots. Pure hatred mate and I don't understand it. I've disliked many boxers but every champion with top wins on their record deserve huge respect.

 

Joshua at his best destroys Wilder.

 

I disagree. Wilder hit Fury with a right hand early in the fight Saturday and Fury turned his head on impact at the last second. AJ doesn't ride that shot and it rocks him to his boots. Fury came forward Saturday night but he still slipped and rode shots from Wilder better than anyone else would.

I'm not saying AJ can't beat Wilder. Of course he can! But Wilder is a very tough man who will fire back and catch AJ with big shots. It's a great fight and 50/50 IMO. I lean towards Wilder because I believe he is tougher and hits harder than AJ.

 

@nurological

Without having to go into the in's and out's, as it had been done to death - logically you agree Whyte is deserving of a shot because he earned his shot... and how did he earn his shot? By taking the tough fights, the dangerous fights... where there was no reward at all... in fact he stood to lose more then he gained.

So Whyte has already demonstrated through his actions that he is not a man to duck someone. Ducking gets used far to often in cases where an offer was turned down for financial or logistical reasons.

Whyte made boxing decisions that I personally agree, of which I dont expect others to agree with because they dont agree with the rational.

Turning down AJ for instance was because he didn't like the greedyness out of AJ's side... and Hearn's double standards on negotiating rematch clauses.

Whyte always needed the WBC belt in order to go back to AJ with bargaining power.... he worked hard for it but wasn't being given that opportunity... but he still had the WBO mando at the time so he figured he would turn down AJ and wait for WBO mando to take the WBO purse split which did away with the unfair rematch split AJ was pushing.

Whyte is a proud man, and I respect that... he has never had anything handed to him on a plate... he has had to go out and grind, and do what others didn't want to do which has made him the seasoned.. sharpened fighter he is today. AJ vs Whyte was always going to be a barn breaker.. always going to sell out arenas... so the money was there for both sides... but AJ is greedy... he wants the lions share... and talks about "Well a guy's gotta make a penny innit".... yeah mate you are taking the lions share all the time, even if you lose... you want 50 per cent which is uncalled for.

You all know deep down that Whyte fears no man, and no opponent, he has iterated several times that losing doesn't matter to him. He fights for the money and for his own legacy in creating memories for the fans as a guy that leaves it all in the ring.

Just a final point, not only did Whyte take dangerous fights... but he also took them when his opponent was at their most aggressive, motivated and career best shape.

Give Whyte a WBC title shot before any unification... it's only fair, and it would actually help Wilder/Fury prepare better for AJ because Whyte is a solid opponent. And Whyte also needs Povetkin to prepare for a title shot.

This will all make for a better fights in the coming year

 

Im not reading all that because i know exactly what you are going to say. All i said was i don't feel sorry for him as he has turned down chances for whatever reason, that cant be denied.

But as i said , out of all the remaining fringe heavies he has earned a shot. I just dont buy into this feeling sorry for a guy who went the money route. Fair play to him for that. Had he fought and beat Pulev then he would be fighting AJ in June with no rematch clause and a bigger split than he got offered.

 

Breazeale still is a bum, but known for being durable. We all acknowledge Wilders one punch power and it landed right on the button and thats all she wrote.

When AJ fought breazeale, it was one sided... breazeale wasnt in that fight at all. And that was like AJ's 17th FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was Wilders 42nd fight!!! Ergo he fought bums in a padded record.

 

Nobody asked you to feel sorry for Whyte in turning down AJ...

I dont even know why you are bringing that up... we are all talking about his WBC SHOT.... so limit the scope of discussion to the WBC situation and you will find that he has been hard done by completly.

No matter what you say... Whyte got effed over... and continues to get effed over till present day as the WBC interim champ.

Ortiz fought no mandatories? Fury fought no mandatories? In fact Fury wasnt even ranked in the WBC before getting called by Wilder.

Whyte has fought more WBC sanctioned fights than Ortiz and Fury, and hard fights too in earning a WBC title shot.

He was at the top of the rankings for 1000 days as Number 1 he should have gotten FIRST PRIORITY in any elimination bout prior to Ortiz getting a title shot.

People say Whyte ducked Ortiz because he didnt agree to fly over to usa on an undercard for wilders fight... but Ortiz didnt **** Whyte by flying to UK for a Maincard headliner???

He came down for Allen..... just not for Whyte.

Wilder has a track record of drawing out mandatories... and making them wait. And Ortiz has a track record of turning down great offers.

Whyte has a track record of taking tough fights, against strong opposition FOR NO REWARD AND NO TITLE SHOT... ergo Rivas and Parker... and NOW POVETKIN!

 

What could Wilder possibly do differently in a quick turnaround for a 3rd fight? 14 months on and Wilder was still buying every single one of Fury's feints.

Only chance I give him is a mighty punchers chance in rounds 1 or 2 before the fight is sapped out of him again.

I suspect another training camp will only serve to improve Fury's balance and craft with his new trainer so Wilder should expect a better version Fury.

Oh, and can you imagine the promotion. Fury will tear him to shreds not least with the excuses!

 

Are you ok? You need to take a deep breath mate and relax, you were literally just raving over AJs offer. Let's meet up for a 20 quid London lunch and talk about this properley over Tofu.

 

Can we get ice cream after babes

 

There is one of the best dessert places right next to where i work. Would throw that 20 quid lunch up to about 30 but you wont regret it.

 

But wilders so sh1te and Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist so shouldn't really matter that much?

And in aj`s what? 12th fight? He left your drug cheat hero twitching on the canvas. Its a funny old game innit.

 

Wilder is being ridiculous firing his trainers for throwing in the towel, basically saying he threats death so is ready to accept it himself. Does he realise this is a sport, not gladiator...

I thought Ruiz’s excuse overeating himself out of victory couldn’t be topped, but wilder blaming his costume is an all timer, he wears that crap every fight. After a brave performance I agree with others that this is a shame.

there really is no point in an immediate 3rd fight, it’s like saying lacy should have got one after his pasting by Calzaghe. It was a one sided beat down, he couldn’t adjust after a year of preparation so how will he now?

Wilder is delusional and needs saving from himself and his management team.

 

Yep that my thinking. A combeacking Fury beat him on the back foot.
A 100% aggressive Fury dealt out a complete beat down. Wilder might need to consider coming in lighter? and work on some stuff in the gym which he would probably need to practice in a live fight to have any chance in a rematch. Going in with the same jab and fire the right hand isn't going to cut it. Either that or they though Tyson was going to move around a lot so the straight head fight plan they weren't ready for.

Based of the last fight I don't see how Wilder wins unless he can summon a hammer from the gods again...He's done it so often before but after the 2nd it never looked likely.

What can he do differently 2nd time around. He's been out boxed and now out fought.