Tyson Fury vs Vitali Klitschko ?

I would normally only attribute "luck" to a fighter's success, where decisions made by either the referee or the judges favored them, against the odds or the run of play. Occasionally, bad luck can befall a boxer, e.g. if he falls awkwardly and suffers an injury outside of the norm.

However, I don't attribute luck to the success of boxers, who throw punches, which cause the initiation and worsening of a cut; no more than I consider a boxer, who left his face in the path of a damaging blow, to be unlucky.

That's just me. But, each to our own.

 

It’s just odd to me that the same people that called Wilder a bum, praise Fury as an ATG who should be favored against most other HWs.

I’m just saying a little more respect should be given to one of the most underrated dominant HWs of all time.

 

The damned cut was caused by Vital's flaws in defense. He pulls straight back and never learnt to keep his left up. Flaws get exposed against the elite, we again had a pretty good example of that last saturday. So yes I would not call it bad luck either

 

Wald was a superior boxer when he was his PRIME. We can't be sure he beats Wlad in is prime. We're talking prime vs prime.
Also the style factor comes in as well. Many fights can be a superior boxer than lose to an awkward fighter who than can't time or figure out. Even in his loses by injury no one truly figured out Vitali and that makes the fight interesting.

 

Vitali lost that fight because Lewis hits like a truck and busted up Vitali. Also that loss isn't clean, many people include Vitali thought he could continue. In another time, that fight would be allowed to go on. Think Rocky vs Charles.
Fury doesn't hit hard enough to bust up Vitali. Fury reputation has hit the roof since the Wilder victory. Fury's career isnt over so this isn't fair. Its like comparing Share Mosley when he was 38-0 people were saying he would beat SRL and other greats, than the Forrest fight happened and reality set in.

 

You can say the same about Fury. He never beat someone as good as Vitali. An old Wlad without Steward doesn't count.

 

Who was dominant ?

 

Yeah, but Fury hasn't lost yet.
Wlad was old in 2015 and had slowed down some, but he surely didn't lose any skill or power after Steward died.
He beat Povetkin and Pulev after Steward was gone, those are two of his best wins.

Was a 39 year old Wlad as good as a prime Vitali ? Probably not.
But a 39 year old Wlad is probably closer to Vitali than whatever Vitali's best win is to Fury.
Although you could of course argue the case of Corrie Sanders, who battered a pre-Steward Wlad.

 

Who says Fury was prime when he beat Wlad? He had 23 fights , the same amount as Wlad when he lost to Journeyman Ross Purity.

He had no championship experience , wasn't accustomed to fighting in massive arenas and fought in Wlads back yard with the deck stacked against him.
It wasn't all perfect for Fury either. Conditions could have been better for him yet he still won against Wlad who had been using an old conservative style to beat opponents for 10 years.
The tactics that steered him to victory didn't and would never work on Fury.

 

Thats nonsense. Wlad was unbeaten in 10 years and was champion of the division. Of course it counts. Its like saying those two wins against faded Holyfield don't cont for Lewis. You can't say a massive win as an underdog doesn't count.

And Fury didn't have Manny Stewart in his corner either. He had a very inexperienced trainer who had never trained another fighter to win a title before or after.

Look how good he looked after 7 weeks with Sugar Hill. Imagine 7 months with Manny Stewart.

 

I beg to differ. It didn't take long for Lewis to start plowing through Vitali's 'defenses' and wearing him down, both at long and short range. By the time of the stoppage, the tide had turned and he was fighting on memory; literally hanging in there, but getting beaten up.

Vitali never met any one else, who was skilled and durable enough to really take the fight to him. He fought a lot of exceedingly mediocre opponents in all of his title runs.

 

I don't know what I'm talking about but you said Byrd went the distance with Vitali.

Log out and never address me again.

 

Who is this you are referring to?

 

Indeed. Any attempt to discount Fury's win over Wlad is being utterly selective in their evidence.

 

If that was the only reason , Vitali would have taken the rematch to prove it was a fluke victory. But he outright avoided it as he knew Byrd had figured him out and would have been better prepared than when he was after the ONE week camp he had for the first fight.

A reminder - Byrd had never seen footage of Vitali and went in there completely blind!!