Tyson Fury vs Vitali Klitschko ?

Only an idiot would call a guy with 10 title defenses and a lethal right hand with a 90% ko ratio a bum. He might not beat everyone but he'd be a threat to any heavyweight past present or future for however long the fight lasted.

Fury deserves all the credit for getting off the floor twice and surviving the first fight will putting on a master class performance and having a ballsy bold game plan of walking down the same guy who dropped him. You can't overrate how impressive this is. Tremendous heart, ring IQ, the ability to make adjustments, and fortitude.

 

Only boxing fans seem to be that dumb. I can't imagine the equivalent in any other sport. Literally unfathomable.

 

Wilder wasn't a bum, but his "10 defences" of the "world title" were pretty poor. He fought a lot of guys who no one really heard of, or ones that no one thought of as real contenders. Luis Ortiz being the notable exception.

 

That true. However historically, a great young fighter usually beats an ATG old fighter.
Its kind of like Ruiz vs Holyfield. However, Ruiz wasn't great.

 

yeah, and what happened when a young Vitali (31) fought an old ATG fighter (Lennox Lewis, 37 or 38) ?
He didn't even win, did he.

 

Let me clarify, it counts as a good victory. But it doesn't count as comparing him to a prime Vitali, who is a completely different animal.
The Steward thing: Wlad fit the Steward prototype, a tall puncher. Fury doesn't, he's tall but can't punch. Steward had his types.

 

Lewis was done. As a fight goes, great fights will get through, especially when the other fighter isn't a defensive master. There are 100's of threads on the Lewis vs Vitali, I don't want this thread to turn in a Lewis vs Vitali thread.

 

He didn't lose on his own account. That fights's ending is still talked about because of that.
But Fury and Lewis are totally different.
Can you be sure that Fury beats a 37 year old Lewis? You can't.

 

I can't be sure - but that's why we judge him by what he did in his own era.
Fury challenging Wlad is comparable to Vitali challenging Lewis.

 

It doesn't have to become one. The point is that Lewis did have Vitali figured out, as the round-6 action makes pretty clear. Speculation on what might have happened beyond round-6 is pointless and unnecessary.

 

Ive always disputed the claim that Fury can't cause his opponent pain which was kinda proven last weekend.

Unfortunately for Fury he isn't dedicated to live the life of a pro athlete and often came into fights having lost dozens of pounds in camp.

He said he had to lose 60 pounds going into the Klitschko fight. He claimed the Wilder rematch is the first time he quit drinking soda's and had his diet prepared by a professional.

Being fit and strong for the first time at 270 definitely came with better punching power so i don't think you can say he can't punch anymore. That weight and speed is going to knock back any man when landed clean. Its not knockout power , but its the type of power which will take energy out of the opponent that they are unlike to get back.

The flaw with Vitali is he doesn't bend at the waist , stands very upright and keeps his hands down by his waist. It won't be hard for Fury to land his shots with full bludgeoning effect on Vitali's crown.
I just don't see what Vitali has shown in the ring that would make him favorite to beat Fury.

 

You claim Chris Byrd, a man who was KO'd 4x has a better chin than Fury who survived 2 fights with Wilder and Wladmir. This doesn't even make logical sense. - Cobra

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Vitali never had close score cards because he fought in a weak era. The 2 best boxers he faced he lost to. The top 10 ranked opponents you love bringing up were mostly flat footed obese men and slow brawlers in their late 30's, which again shows how weak the era was. - Cobra.

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You keep mentioning Fury's accuracy like Vitali was hard to hit. Fury is 6'9 with longer arms and he punches faster. This is not an agree to disagree point, it is a fact. Fury would get off first. He has a better jab and bettee footwork. Fury doesn't need to land everything, he just needs to control the pace. And he would. - Cobra

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Bringing up his accuracy in the wallin fight is alos disingenuous because he was suffering from a bad cut and couldn't see properly in addition to wallin being a south paw. A fanboy of Vitali such as yourself should know all about how a cut can affect a fighter's performance.- Cobra.

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You want to bring up Cunningham being the smaller man ignoring the fact Vitali was exposed by the tiny Chris Byrd. Why on earth would you even go there Mendoza? It's like you're giving me the cheat sheet for the exam. - Cobra

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Never said Fury was unhittable on defense. Nice straw man. All i said was Vitali isn't koing fury. - Corba

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Wilder didn't have his legs under him because fury executed an excellent game plan tying up and leaning to tire him out. The body shot and ear drum busting right hand helped too. - Cobra

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One of your biggest problems, aside from your fanboy bias and being a jack ass, is that you think that what so and so fighter "would" do is a fact. You do not know for a "fact" wilder would have gotten KO'd sooner or later (which is your way of taking credit from Fury), nor do you kbow for a "fact" how Vitali would do against Cunningham or wilder and people are not "ignorant" or lacking knowledge or analytical skills for disagreeing with you on something that is very subjective and down to speculation. - Cobra

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Ortiz beat one top ten fighter, I think. He was also 38-41 for the first fight, and almost won it. Due to Ortiz's age, this is not a huge accomplishment.

 

Ring magazine ranked opponents beaten:

Vitali 9 ( Kirk Johnson, Sanders, Peter, Gomez, Arreloa, Johnson, Solis, Adamek, Chisora ) Was Hide at 25-0 Ranked at the time he fought Vitali? If so make that 10.

Fury 2 ( Wilder, very old Wlad). Was Chisora ranked when Fury fought him? If so he;s on 3

**Clear edge Vitali in terms of opponents faced and beaten. Pretty easy conclusion. Vitali also has many tier two wins that could rate among Fury's best ten. Donald, Briggs, etc

Wlad was very old, 39. You don't give Berbick props for beating Ali, or Charles props for beating Louis, do you? If these fights took place in Ali's or Luis prime they win, Same thing with Wlad.,

 

Wait a minute Vitali got caught doing steroids in the amateurs. If you do them in the amateurs you can be pretty sure you're doing them in the pros. I mean Shannon Briggs never get caught doing them in the pros despite being very obvious about taking huge amounts.

Everything else seems like cheerleading for Vitali considering beating Wlad and Wilder are way above any of Vitali's wins. You also consider Wlad was old without noting the age and overweight status of some of Vitali's wins, which is unbalanced

EDIT - reviewing Vitalis record made me aware of Sanders murder. How very sad, RIP