1950s Heavy weights underrated?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Not his fault ,just some of his fans get off on him and it puts the backs up of those who see reality.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    How has it been exposed as a phoney tactic?
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Oh I see, so long as if it puts the backs up of those who “see reality” then that is grounds to brand people as dishonest?

    This is reality?
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It is a phoney tactic
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You're the phoney here ,and its not a secret!
    NB You just made a dishonest statement on the thread below this one!
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    And I corrected you for it. as I always do. Note that I don’t stoop to claiming you were too dishonest to notice!
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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  8. mcvey

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    Marciano never backed up a fighter heavier than Wilder.
     
  9. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That’s false though. When he fought Louis it doesn’t matter how much Louis weighed earlier in his career it mattered what he weighed when he fought him. And Wilder was around that weight several times. He also fought men bigger and knocked them all out (bigger weight wise) Schkor, Wilson, Jackson and Louis. Idk if he backed up the other three as there is no film but he did knock them all out. 11-0 with 11 KOs of men over 200. Despite what you may think of those men weight wasn’t an issue which you would think it would be considering the importance that’s put on it here
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Knocking them out isn't backing them up.Wilder last Saturday was heavier than Louis has ever been.
    Louis for the vast majority of his career was under 205lbs. Marciano didnt knock out Wilson the fight was stopped on a bad cut.
    "The bout was stopped because of a deep cut over Wilson's left eye. Marciano concentrated on using his left hook in the brief fight. The crowd of 3,351 booed the quick ending because Wilson was a willing and strong opponent, but the fight had to be stopped because of the severity of Bill's injury."


    Jackson was a 6 fight, no hoper, lard ass who retired immediately after their fight which was over in a round so how did Marciano back him up?

    Marciano did not back up Schkor in fact Schkor met him head on and mauled him inside.
    "Shkor, who had just previously been KO'd in one round by Jersey Joe Walcott, was big and strong, and his mauling tactics were worrisome to Marciano for four rounds. Johnny stayed at close quarters and leaned on his opponent, trying to tire him out. Even so, Rocky did enough punching to win the first three rounds and the fourth was even. Marciano began to find the range in the fifth and knocked Shkor down with a left hook and a right to the eye just before the bell. Marciano came out in the sixth throwing bombs and Shkor was down for three nine-counts before the fight was stopped. Rocky suffered a left eyelid cut in the first round, which his handlers closed, but Shkor opened it in the third and it bled freely after that."
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    What did he weigh when getting the draw against Fury?
     
  12. mcvey

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    You picked Wilder's second to lowest weight ever only beaten by his pro debut.
    Okay here is Louis's second lowest weight 188lbs! He was 181lbs for one fight .

    DISHONESTY.
    Now do me a favour ,don't engage with me, you boil my **** and leave me annoyed for wasting time on you.
     
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  13. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I hear you but they were close in weight several times. Mostly Louis weighed under but once again semantics. He was 214 for the fight Wilder and many other HWs hover around that weight. What Louis weighed earlier or wilder earlier or later is of no substance. Wilder at 230 put on his worst performance. Weight didn’t help.
    Wilson fight is down as a KO, it’s Rocky’s fault his face exploded when he punched it. That counts.
    Point being 11-0 11 KOs of opponents over 200. Why would you assume weight would be a major issue for Marciano for any fantasy fight? I can see question marks but I can’t see writing off as there is zero proof for that.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    For the last time stop calling me a liar!

    You can decide if I am correct or incorrect.. but don’t call me a liar. It’s way out of line.
     
  15. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    For how many times are going to make an idiot out of yourself?

    Joe Louis did not have Wilders functional weight. We have gone ever this many times: https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/who-was-the-biggest-fighter-of-these-three.625244/

    Wilder was trimmed to guts that low weight! Louis arguably might make 190 doing the same.

    Now Wilder and Michael Spinks (1988) are the same size, to keep Rocco-Wonderland together :elefant:
    When, just WHEN is this nonsense going to stop?

    No, it is not!
    They way you manipulate and construct weights, data and other facts to max. absurdity to fit your world has been shown numerous times here on BF24 to either make you a troll, or what mcvey just said. Beeing serious with the issue, its about awareness.
     
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