Donovan ruddock v George foreman 1991 who wins ?

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How come the god of all gods Foreman never picked the low hanging fruit of Razor Ruddock? Afterall it would be a pure formality to push him over, would not even be a contest according to the experts here so how come he never picked up a guaranteed win against a bum ?

I guess Alex Stewart, Bert Cooper, Alison Rodriguez and Pierre Coetzer were much more accomplished and down right more dangerous fights, literally the Murders row , right there, every fighter who goes thru that Killer crop will not waste his time with cannon fodder like Ruddock.

 

You're absolutely correct Wlad robbed himself of greatness that night and all nights that followed for his disregard of self worth as a champion he clung to the belt like a heartless robot he only fought like a champion when he lost his belt he seemed more carefree and "awake" against AJ.

 

Tyson got ktfo by a tier 3 guy in Buster Douglas in the 1990’s so there’s that premise refuted from the get go.

Tysons 1990’s record consists of getting beaten up and rendered semi conscious by Douglas, beating a couple of journeymen, struggling twice against an overhyped Ruddock who Lewis would destroy in a blink, going to jail for **** for 3 years, beating a bum, beating a hack, beating a scared guy he’d already beat, beating a guy who took a dive, getting beaten up and rendered semi conscious by past prime Evander Holyfield, fouling out to avoid another whipping against same, a lengthy suspension, being schooled by a journeyman before landing a lucky punch and then a no contest against Orlin Norris (in a fight he could’ve easily been DQ’d in). That’s the sum of his decade.

You’re being overly generous calling Tyson a “tier one” fighter in the 1990s to begin with especially considering he holds zero wins over the other names you put in your “tier one”.

 

There are some really strong points here. Not taking away from the undoubtedly Top Tier/In His Own Class of Iron Mike's 80s championship reign. Mike in the 80s was no joke at all, given.

Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis were top tier in the 90s, no question. Bowe would have been best of them all if he'd actually give a damn after winning the title. That's why the 90s will forever go down as an unsettled decade in boxing. Ali settled all scores in the 70s, Holmes was the dominant heavy in the 80s (with Iron Mike not far behind)...Holy was arguably dominant in the 90s (with Lewis not far behind), but only because Bowe just didn't care.

I agree with @young griffo that Mike was with Foreman and Moorer as a second tier heavyweight in the 90s. Guys like Ruddock and Tua were third. I personally don't even think Mike could have beat the Foreman who fought Holyfield and Moorer, though I give him much more of a chance in the 80s against the first-coming-back George.

 

I don’t consider the 90s era as having begun until Tyson lost; idgaf if you disagree.

Tyson was tier one in the 90s but behind the other tier ones. Ruddock was top three and Tyson beat him twice and then took two titles after prison.

Who won two titles and has two top 5 wins other than the other tier ones?

You have to consider sentiment too. Tyson was regarded as the man up until Holyfield beat him, and was still favored to win the bite fight. Armchairing it in 2020 it’s easy to say he wasn’t a top guy in the 90s, but he still was at the top of the sport back then and blew his potential. Moorer would’ve been helpless against him and his team should’ve made that match.

 

In a way, I think the AJ bout recovered Wlad's rep, amongst his non-fans. Of course, it would have been better for him had he have won it but, either way, I'm guessing that he knew this was his last chance saloon and he decided to go all-in.

Whilst, for me, it can't erase the years of drudgery, which came before it, AJ/Wlad was a heck of a fight.

 

22/04/1994 - Michael Moorer W MD12 (Evander Holyfield)
05/11/1994 - George Foreman W KO10 (Michael Moorer)

George Foreman - Lineal Heavyweight Champion (1994-1997).

 

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Or we could ask why Razor never went after the aging cash cow in Foreman at all? I suppose he did inspire fear by losing to every good prime fighter he fought.

George was more accomplished as an old man then Don ever was you know the old man who actually became champion? who is he compared to the young prime Donovan whose best was surviving Tyson... which is not a legendary feat by any means a losing effort being your best isn't a sign of greatness espcially considering the calibre of fighters who made it to the final bell with Mike...

Razor didn't have the strap so George wasn't interested he stayed busy chasing easy fights for money till he got a chance at the title it was that simple Razor was irrelevant to him.

 

It warmed my heart to see Wlad fight so hungrily that night.

 

I dgaf if you want to move the goal posts because you made a sweeping statement that was wrong.

The 90’s era began at 12.00 am Jan 1 1990 and Tyson got beaten up and ktfo by a tier 3 flash in the pan a month later. Tyson’s record in the 90s was streaky at best and his title wins were jokes (especially the Seldon farce). Because his name is Mike Tyson is the only reason anyone rates his 90s output. Hence the gross overrating of Razor Ruddock that goes on in some quarters around these parts. Tyson’s output simply wasn’t anything special in the 90s and leagues behind Lewis and Holyfield and probably closer to Foreman and Moorers level truth be told. He was tier 2 if those guys were and him being h2h likely to whip Moorer doesn’t alter that because it never happened anyway.

 

What did you think of Schultz, stat boy?

 

I watched Moorer-Foreman last night and Foreman-Steward. The Moorer win really was the 1/1000 perfect storm event. Firstly Morrison and Schulz completely dominated Foreman before and after this fight. Moorer battered Foreman for the majority of the fight. But why did Atlas have his light heavyweight boxer stand square on in front of Foreman for 10 rounds? Why isn't he using more lateral movement?

That aside Foreman got badly bust up against both Moorer and Steward, cut up and severe swelling. He was really blowing hard after the mid-way point in both fights and he had no defense at all to their punches.

Rudduck would of knocked Foreman out. Too much speed and power for him. Foreman didn't have the stamina, speed or defense

 

Atlas told Moorer repeatedly to move to his right..surprised you missed that during the fight. Atlas also told him specifically you do NOT stand in front of George Foreman.

As far as Ruddock...not sure where he had the kind of defensive skills necessary to stop Foreman from hitting him. He got hit a lot, and if he got stopped by Tyson, who never hit as heavy as Foreman, he would get kod by Foreman.

Ruddock was truly a third tier opponent. But to be fair, Foreman Tyson and Moorer resided at tier two. The 90s were Bowe, Lewis, and Holyfield, really. When Bowe and Holy had their rubber match, it seemed everyone in the crowd AND ringside believed they were the best in the world, titles or no. And Bowe knocked the crap out of him. From the time Bowe beat Holy the first time, up to then (especially given that I don't really feel Holy ever beat Bowe) Bowe was the best heavy in the world. Unfortunately he lost it fast after that, as Lewis just kept climbing (with a boo-boo bout along the way).

Imo, right around the first Bowe/Golota fight (if not a bit before), Lewis was the champ, belt or no.

 

Actually Atlas warned his fighter but he didn't listen. What Foreman did was just plain brilliant.

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The fact it still triggers and confuses people 20 years later is downright hilarious.