Wilders Entire Career Was Smoke and Mirrors

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  1. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Back in 2011 I made a post after Wilder fought Damon Reed that he needed to step up his level of competition.


    Nobody thought it would take SEVEN YEARS for him to do so - but he finally did after mounting fan pressure and his management literally running out of French pastry chefs, soccer hooligans and “Life” Coaches for him to face (No seriously, check what Harold Sconiers is up to now)


    It’s hard to believe it’s taken this long, but it’s happened. Wilder has been exposed. Actually, he was already exposed a long-time ago for those of us with a sharper-eye, but let’s stay on topic.


    But..but...how could he have been exposed when he was the champion for so long?


    It seems that boxing fans, particularly Wilder fans have short memories. So let’s rewind the clock.


    Actually, before we get into this. I don’t want this to be purely an anti-Wilder thread. In fact, I want to shoulder the blame on his handlers - in particular Al Haymon.


    I truly believe this guy is the cancer of the sport. He is the only promoter in the business who will NOT let his fighters fight the best guys or the champions in their division - if they are with another promoter.


    There are exceptions, but only when the odds are skewed. For example, Wilder fought nothing but bums for 10 years then took the Fury fight because they thought he was finished. He let Ruiz fight Joshua because he had given up on Ruiz and thought he had nowhere to go.


    Case in point, a recent video post by Jermall Charlo let slip something that he shouldn't have. He revealed that he was told by Haymon and I quote “not to respond” to Hearn’s offer to have him fight in a middleweight unification against D-Andrade. This is despite the offer being a reported SEVEN million (many times over what Charlo has been paid in the past) and Charlo having nowhere to go.


    Why?


    This is in keeping with several recent rumours going around that Wilder was instructed by Haymon not to accept the Anthony Joshua fight “under any circumstances”.


    I don’t believe it was Wilder himself who didn’t want the Joshua fight, I fully believe it was Haymon once again not letting his fighter into a situation that he couldn’t control.


    Wilder - you can’t fight Joshua

    Charlo - you can’t fight Andrade

    Spence - you can’t fight Crawford

    Gervonta Davis - you can’t fight anyone with a pulse



    There’s a BIG trend with Haymon fighters. They will only take top fights IF they are also with PBC. Otherwise it’s set to IGNORE.


    The problem I have with this is that I have a penchant for fighters who take on the best. Throwback fighters, not involved with politics.


    Take a look at Anthony Joshua for example. A resume that lists Kltischko, Whyte, Parker, Povetkin, Takam and Ruiz despite not having THAT many fights.


    Wilder had so many chances to face decent opposition and declined to do so at every opportunity.


    Remember he had FIVE voluntary defences, and not a single one of them was against a generally recognised top 10 fighter. That REALLY takes some doing. His first two defences made Bowe’s first two against Dokes and Ferguson look like world beaters.


    Why was this tolerated?


    Why did he never try to unify?



    The problem is now Wilder has lost, his career will be scrutinised and seen for what it is - smoke and mirrors.


    He was built up to be this killer whilst severely limited and never having taken on top competition. I mean if Chris Byrd took on Wilder’s level of comp then he probably would have been built as a puncher too!


    If Haymon and Team Wilder have any decency they will DECLINE the trilogy because let's be honest, he is totally outclassed here. That will let us boxing fans see the fight we really want - Fury vs AJ for all the marbles. The biggest HW fight since Ali Frazier.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The writing was on the wall when Finkel said Wilder was not ready for unification AFTER he won his title. That's a HUGE red flag. HIs level of comp since his title win certainly confirm this.
     
  3. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    I forgot to mention, he won his title from a Don King manufactured buffet champion who was completely outboxed by an old and shot Ray Austin.

    The guy was a fraud from top to bottom. He may have been something had he not been totally taken advantage of by his management. I fully expect Haymon to sacrifice him after he loses to Fury again..

    The guy will never fight Joshua. Sad.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    He is mostly a fraud.
    But the win against Ortiz does legitimize him a bit. I'm not saying Ortiz was anything special but he was a good contender back in March 2018, and still quite decent up to November 2019.
     
  5. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    Thread subject was enough. Didn't need to read.
     
  6. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Thanks, powerful opening lol.

    Seems a lot of these Wilder fans are new to the forum, they need to be educated lol
     
  7. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In regards to haymon being poison I agree ...

    But I blame Oscar de la “cocina” Hoya
    If he wasn’t such a coke head.

    Al Haymon & Richard Schaefer wouldn’t have been able to snake all of those fighters from Golden boy.

    we were getting much better bouts from those exact same fighters now under the PBC banner.

    pinché Oscar.
     
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  8. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've noticed MVC has gone silent about Wilder since the fight.
     
  9. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Excellent post man. We were right all along about this guy. But you're right. It obviously goes much deeper than Wilder himself and more people need to wake up to this fact so a scenerio like this one doesn't happen again. It's crazy though. There are still loads of people on here some of whom I have a lot of respect for who choose to leave their heads on the sand regarding Wilder. The gig is up. The guy was a totally manufactured fraud who stunk the sport up for years. Good riddance.
     
  10. yesihavearm2

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    It took a lot longer than expected, and actually I never expected Fury to be the one that did it. Fair play.

    @Zakman and @Rico Spadafora must be PUMPED right now. We had him pegged for years.
     
  11. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    If Wilder fights Fury again in the summer, that will be the sacrifice cash out of Wilder.
     
  12. yesihavearm2

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    I fully expect Haymon to sacrifice Wilder once he loses the Fury rematch. He's manipulated Wilder since he took hold of him.

    Disgraceful really.
     
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  14. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    I actually forget to mention the WBC.

    Whyte was #1 for how long? Then they made #3 Breazele mandatory.

    I think we all know why.
     
  15. Naked Snake

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    I think some of the blame has to be levelled at Shelly Finkel. Finkel was Mike Tyson's manager after Holyfield and he helped Mike evade a lot of difficult fights until it was time to take a payday. He's done exactly the same thing here with Wilder