Mayweathers win over Canelo is one of the greatest in boxing history

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Yet the fighters you love resumes and accomplishments are light years worse.
     
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  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Nah That was a great win for Fury but Wlad was old and past his best he wasn't in his 20s or even early 30s, whereas Fury was prime. I picked Fury to beat Wlad I knew his time was up. PBF was the smaller man 36 faded past his best facing a prime unified undefeated fighter in Canelo. I think that was a better win.
     
  3. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's looking better and better over time.

    If Canelo were to somehow retire with this as his only loss, it would achieve similar luster to Greb's win over a younger, less experienced Tunney. Similar weight disparity, too.

    Edit: Oh...Hey, Greb was a 3-1 favorite over Tunney, as well. :D

    Plus, Canelo had weighed in at 153 in his fight with Trout. So he could still come in under the 154lb limit at that point without that much strain.
     
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  4. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Probably not one of the very best in history, but it is an underrated win for sure

    If Canelo was green? OK that is fine, but in that case Floyd was very OLD himself

    Floyd with about 15 pound weight disadvantage put on a much better display than GGG could ever dream of and that isn't me hating on GGG

    It is just stating the fact that Floyd schooled the kid that night
     
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  5. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wlad-Fury had higher stakes, Tyson did it on the road, and was a 5-1 underdog. Joe Louis is a boxing immortal. Getting close to his records matters, and Wlad was inches away from it. Had it not been for Fury, he'd have gotten there.

    Floyd won in Vegas as a 3-1 favorite. That's not historic; that's business as usual.

    Simply two different levels of wins.
     
  6. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Again I disagree PBF-Canelo was the 2nd biggest PPV fight of alltime behind only PBF-Pac. It was a mega fight with mega implications. Wlad had already been beaten before and even stopped it was a great win but not as good as Canelo. With that said PBF would always be favored over anyone in his prime and even faded so your measure is a bit unfair.
     
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  7. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I guess it’s debatable.
    & it truly depends how canelo ends his career. But So far it look like the stock on that Mayweather W over Nelo is rising!
     
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  8. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    If Mayweather was an eastern euro he'd be dubbed the second coming of Christ for that win. Instead, everyone is like "meh..it was an okay win.."
     
  9. TFP

    TFP Active Member Full Member

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    Pff, it wasn't even a UD ;)
     
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  10. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm sure it was made at 150. Try losing that extra 4lb when you're already at your limit as Canelo was (proof in how much he'd put back on), it will nearly kill you
     
  11. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    Catch weight was 152. As stated canelo had previously weighed in at 153 for at least one of his junior middleweight bouts
     
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  12. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Of course you don't like the measure, the conclusion doesn't jive with yours lol.

    The entire point is to take message board bias out of the equation and measure with betting dollars how people felt going in to the fight. People BS on here. Betting odds are truth serum. They are what they are. They don't get to rewrite history like message board fanboys. Gamblers dont BS with real money. That's as honest as it gets.

    And the real money said Canelo-Mayweather was about the same level of challenge as Loma-Rigo and nowhere near the challenge of Fury-Wlad.

    If Canelo was viewed as the threat you make him to be in hindsight, the odds would've been closer. But bettors didn't think a guy dropping rounds to Trout would beat Floyd, and that's what Canelo was at the time...no matter what people want to make it sound like now.
     
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  13. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well...observers didn't think too much of Tunney's chances against Greb the first time, but it, in retrospect, Greb's win over Gene is regarded as one of the best wins in history. Depending on how the rest of Canelo's career progresses, we might well be regarding FMJ's win over Canelo the same way...mitigating circumstances or no.
     
  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    That's just it the line doesn't tell the whole story. You can't simply say a win is bigger because of the betting line is closer. Sometimes fanbois can dictate lines by putting alot of money on the wrong guy and the lines get closer. I've seen this happen all the time in boxing and in other sports. That's not a good way to judge the significance of a win when there are other factors to consider.
     
  15. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    No, it was catch weight at 152, not 150.
     
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