Ron Lyle V Mike Tyson?

Lyle was much more durable than Bruno and more aggressive. Frank wouod get smashed by Foreman like an insect.
Lyle can't fight at mid range or inside? What an ignorant comment jesus

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Yes.. Pretty evident that he can't fight inside or mid range lol

 

His punches are too slow and wide.

 

Lyle's got a set of whiskers, I think after the ref gets tired of counting KDs he gets stopped on his feet.

 

Nothing to do with the nonsense " he can't fight inside or mid range" admit that you was wrong mate

 

Bigger, stronger, punching harder, and being more aggressive... These arent qualities that equal victory. Was he smarter in there? A better tactician? Better couterpuncher? Did he make great use of headbutts?

People act like all you need to beat Tyson is to not be intimidated...

And Holy did not have Tyson "drunk with a few shots not a huge combination"... He had him drunk from beating him up for 11 rounds straight. It was a comprehensive whipping for many many rounds. That's not something Lyle could pull off.

 

depend of the stylistical match and these are very relevant departments in this fantasy fight .

every guy that Tyson destroyed was intimidated, the guys who were not gave him a good fight

Yes he did. 1-2 and he was drunk

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Probably along the lines of Tyson-Bruno in 1996. Lyle was more durable than Bruno, so he might have lasted a bit longer but he was just as open defensively and wouldn't have been able to take Mike's punches for too long.

 

My god, this myth that Tyson was far past it in the mid to late 90's must be the most overblown on this forum. All to hide from the fact that Holy just had his number.

As late as 2000 he still had enough to easily tear Golota apart. In 96 he still had plenty left.

 

He'd lost much of his head movement, threw less combinations and was probably a front runner with less stamina at this stage. Holyfield was timing him really well with straight punches and his guard blocked most of Mike's hooks.

Interesting Tyson was asked what he regretted in his career. He replied he regreted not using Human Growth Hormone. To me that's not just an admitance of steroid use, it's an admitance that he thought Holyfield had an edge because of that.

 

His head movement and combos looked just fine against Bruno. And it's a myth that ever moved his head and punched in combos like a peak Pac. Against Smith, Tucker and Thomas etc he did so mostly in spurts, His timing had probably declined some degree due to inactivity, but I think the difference is overstated and think most of it had to with Holy smothering him and throwing of him off his rhytm with smart counters. Holy was just a level above anyone Tyson ever beat.

And as for stamina, the younger version of Tyson was never really tested bar Douglas so it is hard to say. But we know that Holy thrived in the trenches, but we can't say we know that about any version of Tyson.

Every fighter I've heard on the subject is certain that everyone else was/is using. That doesn't really check out. I have a hard time believing that the most insanely explosive fighter of the era was one of the few that didn't use it.

 

A Tyson thread by super fan @Fergy ? Shock horror!

 

A post about Fergy from SambaKing1993? Shock Horror!

 

I think Samba king might be Ferguson’s kid brother. They seem to know a lot about each other’s personal lives.

 

It's a fair point that Holyfield was a skill level above other opposition and there was head movement in the Bruno fight you're right. Plus Holyfield pushed him back, which takes a punches power away. I'm personally in the camp that Holyfield might well have won in 90/91 when he had loads more stamina but not as much muscle mass.

He sounded quite honest and he wasn't blaming any loss on not using it. So I'd imagine he used steroids but not HGH. HGH doesn't work without roids

 

I don't know if he was bigger (at least significantly) or stronger. Whether Holyfield bulked up or was that size naturally, at heavy he wasn't much smaller than Lyle and as far as strength goes, Holyfield may have been stronger.