Ron Lyle V Mike Tyson?

Yeah - some people actually watched the action, though - rather than have it explained to them by [overexcited] commentator/s.

 

Not true, my friend. Ali both staggered and backed up Foreman in that round. Please watch it again.

Ali actually made Foreman look bad in every round of that fight. I've watched it over a hundred times. George fought really bad in that fight, Ali dominated most of it.

 

Then I must be like that too, my friend. I saw Foreman get both staggered and backed up before the ko. Maybe I saw it wrong...

no disrespect intended.

 

None taken, Chap.

I think it's just a matter of interpretation (and I was really picking up on the use of an excited commentators words to somehow validate one side of that interpretation).

I just look at it from the point of view that, if you're getting fast punches thrown at you, it will tend to make you alter/reset your footing/positioning, in situ, and 'Ever-Forward' Foreman, who didn't much look graceful, even at the best of times, was never going to look great in having to do so. It also didn't help that Ali was looking particularly sharp in his delivery.

I tend to associate the word "staggered", as used to describe a momentary occurrence in a boxing match, to mean the staggered boxer was evidently hurt. On that basis, I think it was an inappropriate term to use and an overreaction by the commentator, in the example given. Foreman never really appeared hurt to me; not until he gassed and lost his legs from underneath himself.

That said, I'm not all that precious about it, either

 

I did not see george hurt at all. Anyway george made a dumb fight against Ali because he tought that he was going to destroy Ali in 2 rounds so he was tired very early with the clime of Zaire.
He underestimated the resistance of ali

 

I agree

 

In a 6 fight run Foreman fought the #1 heavyweight in the world, the #8, the #4, the #2, the #6 and then the #4. I'm not thinking this is "protected".

 

Great post, @Man_Machine with a lot of truth. I'm open to the idea that George got knocked off balance, and I think that happened to him a few times in that fight. I agree that Ali at times looked so good against George, snapping punches (often in stunning combination) and so deftly that George looked like an amateur.

Whether George was knocked off balance or staggered, Ali was in fantastic form (and that's forgetting the Dundee rope trick).

 

I think that DEFINITELY had a lot to do with it, Charlie. I also think Ali psyched the hell out of George. George didn't like getting talked back to. Also...

has anybody noticed that Ali looked BIG against Foreman? I mean, George even then was a big, heavily muscled man. But Ali really wasn't that far away in overall size. Even the bodybuilding physique of Ken Norton looked relatively lesser next to George. Ali was able to bully back George a lot during Zaire, and it was obvious George REALLY didn't like that.

Kind of reminds me of the Holy vs.Tyson fights. Holy had a totally fearless attitude throughout and Mike seemed very unhappy with it.

 

Far from it. Seems to me the only guys George "missed" were Quarry and Shavers, and neither were exactly mandatory during his 70s run. (and let's face it, it's unlikely either of those men would have ultimately had much chance against him).

 

Exactly. It is absurd

 

Foreman was nothing muscular against Ali, he looked strong and solid because he had a big frame, however Ali had more% mass (muscle, water and fat) at 216 pounds than George, Foreman could carry more weight than Ali and I don't talk about height

 

We dont know that. Holyfield just happened to be the first live body Tyson fought. It's ironic because he only fought Holyfield because he was thought to be shot.

I think Tyson has a chance to take Lyle out early but he could run into something in the process. Ron Lyle had some ingredients that could spell trouble.
Lyle could stop Tyson in his tracks especially with his right. He was strong and not easily intimidated. This version of Tyson depended on intimidation. The other problem Tyson has is stamina. If the fight gets past 3 he is going to fall off a cliff.
This would be a rough night for Tyson. Comeback Tyson was worse than many people think.
Prime for Prime I would take Tyson all day. Probably in spectacular fashion. This scenario I give Lyle an edge.
Ron Lyle wasnt as great as Tyson but he had the taste for combat. Mike didnt.

 

Yes Foreman had heart to get up, rock back and the will to win. Did Tyson post prison? Mike was about a 3 or 4 round fighter. He was a storm in the 1st round and would slow round by round.
Tyson was just looking for a big right hands, just a bomber. He could be countered easier, he was not as fluid and quick as he had been.
Lyle was flawed as well but he was active and I think he could drag this one into the mid rounds. Ron had enough power to alter Tyson's path. I'd gamble on his heart and will over Tyson's. Lyle died and cameback. This version of Mike he wasnt into boxing anymore.

 

lmao